Buccaneer (Crowther) 33 details

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  1. bruceb
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    Does anyone have a study plan/profile drawing of a Crowther Buc 33 that they could post? l would be interested in any details. B
     
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    Corley epoxy coated

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  3. DarthCluin
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    From the Sith Archives by way of (I think) the classic multihulls group on Yahoo:
     

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    More! Please!

    Thanks guys, I hadn't found that second one, that is the best so far:). I am "hoping" to find a profile that shows the under water profile- front and side. I am trying to fit a trailer, sight unseen, from 600 miles away. I like doing things the easy way:rolleyes: I have found a few pics of the 33s in the water, but I don't know where the rudder is, and I haven't found the main hull width at the waterline. B
     

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  5. kaamaman
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    You buying the one in FL?

    Here is another...
     

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    I have a friend in the club that has one of these bucc 33's his has an underslung rudder with a skeg and a saildrive so there is some variation in rudder arrangements.
     
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    plans

    Thanks Kman, That might do it. I am considering the fla one, if I can set up to de-mount and trailer it occasionally. I expect to use it on the coast, but I live inland, and I want to bring it to my local lake for a while. I have a Buc 24 that I trailer some, but the 33 is a whole lot larger. This one has the rudder underneath, but I don't know how deep- according to some plans, it is not any deeper than the hull, but that would not be much rudder for the size boat. I haven't seen the buc in person, but it seems as if I can make it work with a wide load permit. Bruce
     
  8. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    That was a year ago, this is what I stored from it . . . .

    _Lock_Crowther_Buccaneer_33_Accomodations_Plan_.jpg BowOn.jpg Centerboard.jpg CockpitArea.jpg

    DSC00328.jpg ForwardQuarter.jpg MainCabinDoubleBunk.jpg MainCabinSetee.jpg

    MainDeckCockpitLayout.jpg MastBase.jpg NewWindows.jpg ReadytoTravel-Quater.jpg

    Readytotravel-Side.jpg Rudder1.jpg Rudder2.jpg Trampoline.jpg

    ViewForward.jpg TrimaranforSaleDetails.jpg

    Some of the links are still working . . ! ! :)
    Good luck !
    Angel
     
  9. bruceb
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    Trailer Pics!

    Thanks A, that is great. Lots of good info. I am out of town now so i will ck in later in the week. B
     
  10. TriDave
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    Bruce,

    Just some thoughts from a buc 33 owner. I attempted to demount my crossbeams while on the hard in my back yard, and found them pretty much corroded together. Only 1 join of the 8 possibles would break free. If it has not been regularly dismounted and re-assembled, this may be an impossibility as salt and aluminum with stainless fasteners tend to weld themselves up in a fairly short period of time. Should you get them off, you will need a forklift or some sort of hoist to move the amas around as they are large and heavy. My amas are foam core with ply decks, so I assume they are as light as they get. I have seen pics of a buc 33 on a wide load trailer and it was only about 10' wide. No escort, etc required. The fellow who had the pics of one on a trailer said it took a full day to set it up with a crew of 4 when they launched it.

    The rudder on mine is about 6" lower than the belly of the boat, and the resting place for the dagger board always made the bottom of the board and the rudder about the same depth.

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    The mast on mine is a good solid section, and I seriously doubt that you would want to hoist it by hand. Just man handling it when we unstepped it by crain was kind of a workout. I wouldn't consider deck stepping it by hand possible. The F31R mast is about the same length, but is a much smaller foil section, and I have heard people say you can't step them without a pretty good crew.

    Not meaning to discourage your endeavor, but would like for you to have as much knowledge about what you are getting into as possible. This is not a trailer sailer and I think anyone approaching it as such is in for some hard knocks.
    Good luck
    David
     
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    Maybe too many details

    Thanks David, I hear what you are saying. I used to be a sailboat dealer and have trailered and launched keel boats about the same size- and I would never call it easy, just possible. Since we are land-locked in Atlanta, we get a lot of practice moving boats back and forth to the coast. Yes it is a bit silly, but this is where we work and live, and we "all" want a bigger boat:rolleyes:- even if it is in a small pond.
    I like the close-up pics, they all are going to help if/when I try to set up a trailer in advance. The 33 I am looking at is in Miami, and probably hasn't been dismounted in years. I am expecting to use a sawzall to get it apart, OS said the beams were triple anodized when it was built, but that has been 35+ years ago and I expect them to be stuck. I do wish I knew more about the real world weight of the floats and main hull, it would help with trailer size. I have noticed on-line several 33s did have hinged mast steps, but I have never seen anybody say anything about using them. I don't think this boat is set up with one anyway.
    Do you still have your 33, and how do you like it?
    Thanks, Bruce
     
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    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/multihulls/43924d1275595628-splicing-two-mast-halves-together-k7a1b04bfd6ccf_1000000.jpg I'm trying to link to a picture I posted awhile back showing the method.Using a hinged step it is fairly straight forward to raise a mast that size using the boom and 5+ to 1 tackle led to a winch. Guys have to be rigged and adjusted as you go, it is possible to have the mast forward and raise it aft like a searunner or have it aft and raise it forward which I do because the sloop step location is more forward. It is safe to raise by yourself, just time consuming adjusting the guys. I would expect the amas to weigh about 200+lbs each if they are 1/4" closer to 300+lbs if 3/8.
     
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    float weight

    The floats are about 30 feet long, (I am guessing around 175 sq feet @ 1.5 lbs a foot), so I am expecting around 300- 400lbs, but I would be happy if they are lighter. Mine on my B-24 are 21 feet and all two men can handle, I always use a lifting tackle. B
     
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    Sounds about right. I was going off the amas for a Searunner 31, 3 men found them more awkward than heavy but the bucc's are 3 feet longer.
     

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    Bruce,
    The boat was supposed to weigh about 3300# empty, 5000# loaded. There is quite a bit of variance depending on who built it. Mine was built in Ontario with airex foam hulls and plywood decks, etc. The one in the CL ad appears to be composite hulls too, as the chines are usually obvious in the ply hulls. I saw a pair of searunner 31 hulls for sale in Panama city on CL this morning, you could ask them what they weigh, though I find most people have no clue about boat weight when asked.

    I agree that you can just cut at the joint and replace the sleeves that connect the beams. Removing the old sleeve pieces and finding or fabricating the new may turn into a bit of work, but you don't sound shy where that comes in. Mine has 2-3/4"x 1/2"x 8' stainless straps under the beams which are quite heavy and will add to the off center swinging mass to be aligned and moved. Quite substantial construction for a light weight multihull.

    I took the pics in the prior post about half an hour before I posted them. I can take more if you need. Should you fell like dropping by on your way to Miami, I am just off I-75 south of Tampa. I could show your some things to look for. Mine had about 2 feet of rotten ply on the aft deck which turned out to have migrated into the aft crossbeam and sheer timbers. Be very careful about any rot in any old wooden boat, as it is always much worse than it appears on the surface.

    As far as sailing goes, the boat is a dream to sail, matching wind speed from about 4-10 knots and reaching mid teens loaded up. The helm is light and responsive and behavior predictable. One of the best sailing boats I have ever had the pleasure/pain of owning. If I didn't already have one in my back yard, I would be all over that one, looks like a sweet deal.

    David
    new project @ hotsaucechronicles.blogspot.com
     
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