Buccaneer 24 Builders Forum

OS, this is a open forum, I feel the need to reply, I am not one to elevate one's ability to a certain level to get credit or advertise one's acheivements in life..! (as so many other people need to do ....) I may also be a 'amateur trimaran builder' as you sarcasticly put it, by association I now join the ranks of the bicycle makers 'The Wright Brothers' with their first flight in 1903 and perhaps Columbus to name just two..!
You know nothing what so ever of my sailing experience, the sea's I have sailed or the boats I have owned, you are also not aware of my ability in woodworking or woodcraft or my designing and drawing up plans a different field, so why should you ridicule me - do you really think I am that stupid to to invest money and time to make an abortion of a boat...............

Albert Einstein
"Let every man judge according to his own standards, by what he has himself read, not by what others tell him"

 

Me, Me, Me

John, I think OS7 and Piver were referring to me, not you. I think he is trying to keep people from making mistakes based on bad info from a non-expert- like me. I do have some "experience", but he is right, anyone should be very careful before they leap into the unknown. I do have a good track record, but as the investment industry says, "past results are not good predictors of future performance" Or- "how long can you tread water" B

 

John. I am not being "Sarcastic", nor am I aiming that quotation at you. It was a general comment which I feel Piver got right. Newbies take note.
Experienced sailors/builders ARE capable of making properly considered changes. However there are people out there who haven't got a clue and just want to chane things for changes sake. I am sure you are not one of them. If you feel I have insulted you --please accept my heartfelt apologies. Paddy.

I built my B24 bog stock, except for the centreboard, (considered change), and used the sail set supplied by Lee Sails of Hong Kong. They still have that set available in terylene, as specified by Lock. I cruised and raced it with the stock sails and there was not another multihull in the TMCC which could touch it. (That wasn't very hard since most of them were Wharrams, Pivers, Browns and Cross's). In the mixed fleet CYRA races we would also routinely beat the 60 ft C&C Mono "Bonaventure" and when we were tied up to the dock afterwards the crew guys from "Bono" would come over with their beers and sit all over my boat chatting up my all Girl crew. Believe me, girls who have come up from Dinghy and small Cat racing have a "Killer Instinct" when it comes to competition on the water.

 

JJ, OS7 was quoting Piver - and in defense of Bruce taking martyr-like the blame of fiddling with designer's craft, I'd say that Piver, although a pioneering breakthrough designer, also screwed up badly on some aspects of his designs (terrible appendages for a start that produced poor windward sailing ability, high wetted surface area hulls for another) - so instead of encouraging experimentation, Piver was acting the untouchable US guru who could not be questioned. In this country, everyone has ideas and tries making improvements ... and Piver designs can be transformed into excellent yachts with some alterations. So does that balance up things for you? OS7 is a polite aussie bloke and is not some troll turkey from SA; I think you misread him.

 

Gary, go out and right a novel, maybe a thriller ? you are very adept at writing the written word - you may never have to work again , you can put me down for your first book..

 

OS, that post did strike a bitter chord but I am not a harbour of grudges, appoligies accepted - we all stray of the sraight and narrow, especially me...

 

Gary.
I met Piver in 1967 and he came aboard my boat (a Nugget).
That guy had a very tender ego and did not take criticism lightly.
His Tri's were not the best ---but they were the best that were available at that time. Piver was a writer and his writings influenced an aweful lot of people in that era. He was his own booster, but by doing so he moved the whole multihull movent forward, (along with Wharram of course).
I think he needs the credit for that.

 

newbies

I'm a newbie, and as I read these posts I'm developing questions as I go. Been in contact with Bruce with some of theses. I've only had one sailing , been several times. In short I know enough to get myself in trouble if not careful. See the statement from OS posted applies to me.

It applies to me like this. I wouldn't let someone that has never driven a Cobra drive mine first, too easy to get into a cowboy hop, my brother did this and it actually scared him, tickled the **** out of me.

I have found lots of info here and bought a few books from some of the links on these pages. Just finished "The Case For The Cruising Trimarin" by Jim Brown. Very good read with lots of info for those of us eager to learn.

These things I know.

1. My wife is from the Philippines, she has a permanent peanut butter brown tan.

2. She doen't like the extreme healing of a mono.

3. The Corsair had a much flatter motion, she loved it.

4. Sinking is worse than being upside down and floating, kinda like an airplane with 2 of four engines running, it still flies just not that well.

5. Even if I buy the Corsair I will build a boat, same reason I built a car. I will know every inch of it.

6. A boat is nothing more than a plane for the water with wings, they are just vertical instead of horizontal.

7. I'm short, getting shorter, balder and fatter as I get older.

Yes I'm rambling but I appreciate the info I can gather here and the fact that my questions are always answered. Will take another ride on the F boat because the folding and rig up/down is really not difficult.

Unlike some my writing is terrible I'm dyslexic and writing is a chore, thats why I love to read and look at prints/pics. Keep the pics coming John.

diegokid

 

Diegokid. I will answer your posts one at a time.
!. All the Phillipino ladies I have ever met were all delightful people.
2. See---she is pretty Smart too.
3. I used to race on a Corsair 28R. It was great. Unfortunately the owner took it with him when he moved to Tasmania.
4. One day I was skipping across Lake Simcoe in my "Nugget" trimaran.
We hit a Deadhead in the water. It punched a hole the size of my fist in the forward main hull. The floorboards started floating within one minute. If we had been in a keelboat we would have gone down. Instead the floats supported us and we were able to sail back into our slip. Try that in a monohull.
5.Building your own boat is one of the most satisfying things you can do.
6. I love airplanes too.
7. Join the club.

 

Boats are fun!

Happy New Year. B

 

Bruce, I think finding a rig from a Corsair 24 in the UK will be almost impossible, the odd Hobie rig comes up for sale occasionally and thats about it, it will have to be a fractional rig from a mono, complete with sails if possible, to make it rotate is no problem - I recon the build will take me 18 months so I have a window of time, I have been looking but only the old heavy masthead rigs come up for sale occasionally.

 

Happy New Year to one and all........

 

Happy New Year to you John and to ALL. B24 builders.
More to the point, Happy New Decade.
Cheers. Paddy. (OS7).

 

Early days......

My first boat of 25 years ago was a Belgium state of the art Etap yacht which I bought from the factory, I drove to Belgium collected the boat and brought it back to the UK on a Cross Channel Ferry. I kept the boat at Gillingham Marina for several years, Gillingham Marina is situated on The River Medway, it is a estuary of creeks, strong tides, commercial traffic, sandbanks and hulks and this estuary can catch out the most experienced sailer, having said that it is a Ideal base for cruising and voyages to the East coast and to France.
This is where I learnt to sail and learnt about seamanship although you will never stop learning about sailing - the weather will make sure of that!, it will teach you above all other things to respect it!
Nelson's Flag ship the Victory was built just a few miles down river of Gillingham Marina on the Medway at Chatham Dockyard which is steeped in history (If you are into naval history the book by Anthony Deane named 'Nelson's Favourite' HMS Agamemnon at war 1781-1809) is one the finest books you will ever read - I highly recommend it )

Picture of Gillingham Marina
...............to be continued

 

Gee, that marina looks like a lot of fun to maneuver in during a blow (NOT).