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Looks like the yellow on. Bottomed on the beach. Think it was the other Buck 24 link.

On the downside I was talking with the marina. They tell me that they may not have a slip for something that wide.

 

My 'Swift Explorer'

While I am waiting for the weather to improve and get on glueing up my frames I thought I would share one of my other boats with you (it may tell you a little bit 'about the Man') you may not have seen this boat in the USA/Canada or Australia as it was only in production for a few short years here in the UK, manufactured and built in Southampton in 1970's, she is based on a traditional New England design and is a absolute pleasure to sail especially on those hot summer sunny days, I have owned her several years now and on a few occasions have brought home a lobster for the pot
L.O.A. 18'2" - Beam 6' 8" - Displacement 1200lbs - Twin Mast Cat rig - Sail Area 130 Sq.ft

From the original brochure a couple of pics to show you what she looks like.......

 

I think that's the modified Kurt Hughes 24 Thom talks about in his second paragraph. The current Hughes 24 is here:

http://www.multihulldesigns.com/designs_stock/24cctri.html

 

That is a lovely looking boat John, but it is still a "leaner".
After having sailed Monos for many years I could never go back to them.
Many monohull sailors are unconvinced about the merits of multihulls--- and merely sailing past them to windward does nothing to improve their opinion. The old saying ,"A man convinced against his will---is of the same opinion still". The only way to impress a mono sailor is to take him out on a spanking day and let him experience the difference.
We took a Crowther Spindrift 45 cruising Cat from Sydney to Lord Howe Island, dry and comfortable. on auto pilot all the way, in a faster time than the mono "Helsal"s record, but the mono crowd didn't want to know about it. However the message must be getting through, because I have never seen so many big cruising Cats on Pittwater as there are this year.

 

I think along the same lines as Phil Thompson (Catsketcher) on this topic he wrote a very interesting article for Multihull World some time ago the gist of it was as multihulls prove their worth as cruising boats their acceptance across the full spectrum will increase.

I just hope we do see a genuine Sydney to Hobart with a multihull division at some stage seeing the video of the Coastal Classic from NZ makes me jealous. Maybe a Pittwater to Hobart multihull race might be on the cards one day.

 

I know how right you are OS - and I only wish I had gone the Multihull route many years ago when I first started sailing - the problems in the UK are two fold, the UK is a small heavily populated Island and Marina fee's and charges are exceptionly high more so for a Multihull because you are not only paying for the lengh of the boat you are also paying for the width e.g a BUC 24 in a UK Marina will cost you the price of two 24ft Mono's whether its hauling out, sitting in the Marina or sitting on the hard, the other problem is our road system, the roads off Motoway can be very narrow additionally we have a width restriction which is a lot less than Australia/America thats why we all drive smaller cars in the UK. -
Its a very sad thing to say but Mulithulls in UK are becoming a Rich man's toy - most people have not got the space or land to park a Multihull and I do believe there would be many, many more Multihulls sailing the British coast if it was not for the extremely high Marina charges.

On a good note if I need inspiration I watch : YouTube - 'Trimaran 60 pieds' - its just a beautiful Video/Music combination.

 

I can relate to that John.
In Canada I kept my Piver Nugget, with a beam of 14 ft, in a powerboat marina, where it would fit into a fat power cruiser berth. The fees were acceptable and I kept it there for four years.
I guess you are not so fortunate in the UK. One of the many other reasons why I left. It is much, much more difficult to be accepted into Canada, the USA or Australia today.

 

Thoms boat is a version of the CM 23 (actually nearly 24' long).
http://www.multihulldesigns.com/designs_stock/23tri.html
there is also a daysalor model
http://www.multihulldesigns.com/designs_stock/daysail/23_tri_day.htm

heres a pic of another 23 with the longer floats here in Auckland. This boat now has a GBE rig on it.

And (appropriately for a b24 thread) I found a good pic of capricorn all powered up. Almost a Rooster-tail

 

That rooster of Capricorn's is because the sharp angled run aft of the B24 is far too steep. It is also showing on Sam's boat in the Creepy Crawler image too - look at the wake difference between the two. Miranda used to drag a rooster tail like that until the the main hull was lengthened.

 

Gary, I only recall seeing one very nice picture of Miranda, stern veiw on a drying mooring, do you have one of the front of the boat and in sailing pose..? would love to see a few more pics of her.

 

Quite so Gary.
However Samnz B24 didn't seem to have much problem with performance. He beat just about everything around.
I wonder why that is ?

Consider Newtons second law of motion.
Water is pretty heavy stuff. ie:-Mass.
That water is pressed down by the tri's hull. A lot is pushed out of the sides, but a big chunk goes up the back. That mass of water is accelerated by the force from the hull. Having been accelerated, it tries to continue in it's line of motion and so "Jumps" out of the water, result ---rooster tail. As it jumps it also reacts on the bottom of the tail of the boat. If the tail of the bottom has a gentle rise (5 deg or less) it merely tends to lift the stern ---(sugar scoop).
If the angle is greater, the reactive force has a bigger FORWARD component.ie:- Thrust. Perhaps that is why Samnz B24 didn't seem to be negatively affected much by the tuck in the tail.

 

Good theory Oldsailor - but the reason Sam's boat performed was because it was heinously overpowered; brutal strength drove her along, plus a crazed crew ... whereas Miranda, still with the original sail area (albeit with a rotating mast and fractional rig, actually smaller headsail than original), was/is fast through ..... refinement. The two boats have never raced each other but Miranda with her sweet ama foils, I'd imagine would give Capricorn a good test beating, especially in a seaway. Offwind would be another story.
John Jolly, I haven't got any shots of Miranda sailing but I'll post what I've got. Also an image of the stock B24 hull shape as a comparison. Cheers.

 

LOL, Gary.
"Sam's boat performed was because it was heinously overpowered."

As the cowardly Lion said in The Wizard of Oz----"You can say that again"

 

Gary, I like your sculpured bowsrit, and your ama foils, how much percentage off line are they in relation to centre line, and are you happy in the way the boat sails/performs, would you say its a big or small improvement over the stock boat ? - if you had to do them all over again would you change anything ?

 

John. I don't own Miranda, Malcolm Cheadle does - I just suggested the design changes, many years ago now. The foils/daggerboards are set up without an angle of incidence so they are in line with the centre line. That was Malcolm's decision, I suggested 3 degrees AoI - the foils are asymmetric though and that is why the boat is good to windward. Also the elliptical shaped rudder is set through the lengthened transom ... and that is also an improvement on the original setup. Powering along you don't get that ugly rooster tail, just a smooth wake. There also is a semi-circular mainsheet track which is another plus compared to the stretchy wire strop original setup. And with the leaky-at-speed main hull interior board and case gone, you actually get a little more space below, plus no fine spray escaping from the tied case top.
If I had a B24, I'd make it a B28 in length with filled in after sections, exactly the same as Miranda but with a 400mm chord and taller wing mast,