Breath of fresh air!!!!!

Discussion in 'Fiberglass and Composite Boat Building' started by grady, Sep 9, 2007.

  1. grady
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    grady Novice

    any more pro painters with info on isocyanates to share.
     
  2. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    I'm assuming you're past your active breeding age, so asking your wife to raise the resulting three headed baby shouldn't be an issue. This is in light of the limited (relatively) exposure you'll experience, though do expect issues without a hepa mask.

    Frankly, I think this will be the least of your concerns. Learning how to shoot a boat, with much vertical and overhead surface area, isn't going to be acquired on a few odd, small pieces. A spray job can look really nice, with the right equipment and skilled hands. It can also look like a paint job only a mother can love. It's surprisingly easy to screw up a shoot, with one of many dozens of things, ruining what could have been a master piece.

    On the other hand, a rolled and tipped job can be sanded and buffed down to the same level of finish a spray job can, without the need for special equipment and shaving a few years off your life span. Learning how to polish out imperfections and buff down to a super smooth finish can be learned "on the fly" with less expense, exposure and skill level. So, I'm siding with Matt on this one.
     
  3. grady
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    grady Novice

    Thanks for the your thoughts Par.

    I'm a little stubborn, but I never act with out thinking things through. Roll and tip just didn't appeal to me for a few reasons.

    1, I will be working alone most of the time and it would seem that you need a good two man team in order to get great results from roll and tip.

    2, I have sprayed a couple of things and feel I can get a better finish with a sprayed job.

    3, Although It may sound conceited, I posses a craftsmen skilled hand, I consider myself a skilled artisan. and have taken on many projects thought to be beyond my realm of expertise. And ( knock on wood ) they all have yielded better than expected results.

    So Spray it is, I will be sure to post progress pics.

    Thanks again for responding as I hold your opinion in very high regard.

    Wish me luck.


    thanks Grady
     
  4. keith66
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    keith66 Senior Member

    Air Fed Respirators

    I have sprayed boats and a few cars, there is no way i would spray two pack without a very good mask.
    If using a self contained mask with carbon filters they will not last long at all at most one hour and once opened from their pack they absorb from the atmosphere all the time.
    Most professional sprayers in the UK use an air fed respirator fed by air line and they are not that expensive, about £100 they need at least 8cfm of air and the compressor that feeds them must be outside the spray shop or it will suck in the fumes and deliver them to your lungs, the feed to the respirator needs very good filters to scrub out the oil from the compressor.
     
  5. Kaptin-Jer
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    Kaptin-Jer Semi-Pro

    Marsh Mat is right

    As a semi-pro I have rolled and tipped 4 boats with better than anticpated results. It's not as difficult as Awl Grip would like you to belive, and much safer. The key is all in the prep. Buy stocks in 3M then sand for months. The actual painting only takes about an hour each coat. I would suggest you try two or three coats and see if you are satisfied. You can always sand then spray a finish coat if you are not happy.
     
  6. the1much
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    the1much hippie dreams

    ive painted with the plain ole 3m filters in my little resperator for over 10 years,(hack,,,cough,,gurgle). and ive even had a 3m painter in my shop redoing 1 of my paint jobs that messed up because of their paint,, and he jus wore a regular respirator, but he also kept telling me we should have a fresh air unit,,(cough,,lung chunk) and im one of the unsafest person you'll know,,but i recommend you be safe(cough,,squirt,,caaaha), the tyvek suit and all the other taping and things are jus so ya dont get icky,, not much to do with safety, but from my experience( cough,,,cough,,,cough,,yick) id go all the waY,, well unless your wife has a good insurance on ya eh . and on that note,,i like rich widows,whats ya addy and do u have pics of wife? hahaha,,jus jokin ;)
     
  7. Frosty

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    Talking of oil in compressors. I used to dive on the boat to clean props etc with a small garage compressor. It was only 1 meter down and 2 was max, any way I used to feel a bit chesty, hard to explain but just not quite right . I was telling this bloke about it and he gave me some expensive diving compressor oil and it did the trick. Changed the oil and I could go down there for hours without any adverse affect.
     
  8. grady
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    grady Novice

    thanks guys for all the thoughts, I'm going to see about renting a fresh air system, if that fails maybe I can borrow one. We'll see


    Thanks

    Grady
     
  9. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Oh I forgot to say that I now use a fish tank airiator pump, 12 volts with a diaphragm piston, a 40 foot length of 3/8 pipe and an old demand valve bought second had from the dive shop. It works a treat even at 1 meter so it would definately work in atmospheric pressures.

    The pump is 120 liters p minute and cost about 30 dollar,--about the size of a shoe box.
     
  10. Landlubber
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    Landlubber Senior Member

    Hey now I know what it is that is in ya mouth on the pic, I thought at first it was just a funny pipe, now I am enlightened.
     
  11. grady
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    grady Novice

    thanks for the responses everyone.
    It looks like I'll be ready to spray the 545 epoxy primer on weds. Just finished rolling on some high build on some areas of concerns. Will sand and wipe down tomorrow.

    So wish me luck. Feeling pretty good about everything.


    Thanks Again

    Grady
     
  12. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Have a drink first --you'le get a better finish. Works with me!!!
     

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