Best surface Drive for Marine diesel?

Discussion in 'Surface Drives' started by wiggler4490, Nov 22, 2007.

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  1. Rik
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    Sorry, but do you have a photo of a boat that has the barnacles on the Arnesons? In specific, the steering cylinders with damage that always fail according to Frosty?

    Like I noted, enough of the b.s., time to show what you know.

    What do you do for a living Masalai?
     

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  2. Rik
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    There is no question as to I am or what an Arneson Surface Drive is, rather the two people that are posting under a false identity need to prove something here rather than try to tear down someone's products with nothing more than idle time and old women gossip.
     

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  3. Rik
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    More of the same. Boats with Arneson's and no over whelming evidence of a problem that does not exist.
     

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  4. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Can't afford to be retired so I am just a retread at the moment. Have been known to be involved in many career activities, current interest is enjoying being a "pontificating prick", but secretly designing my next career move - a boat for long range voyaging & community development in Melanesia (Solomon Islands/Vanuatu region)

    Your toys look like sprinters to me I am after super marathon at 15 knots.

    My question still is not answered, the exposed steering ram still presents problems if left at a mooring & gets barnicles (which it will)

    The top left on the second series shows a scum line which would mean the entire steering ram is underwater at rest. No good for my purposes, also too many engines (six?) means too much fuel for me.
     
  5. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Enough already, which is your boat? I hope it is not the "Haywards houseboat"? that is almost like putting a couple of jet engines on the back of a Chinese Junk?

    Jacquelins is about my vintage, but the apparent excess grunt I don't need (mine is old but still effective - hanging at the front between my legs)

    All I can say is you appear to enjoy your toys, mine is a different path. Cheers
     
  6. Frosty

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    I am beside myself with frustration . I can hardly think. Rik I ask you to show a picture of your drives --you show others. I ask you for the reason of looking at barnacle growth,--(which you say they dont grow on your drives) then you show me pictures of boats being re launched.

    I have nothing else to think exept that you don't know anything but how to write cheques to a boat yard that has your boat hauled once a month and you don't know about it.

    <removed>

    Do me a favour and google 'barnacle' please!!! Geeez lets start from the begining.
     
  7. Frosty

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    Wait a minute --its coming to me now.

    Rik is that you. I know who you are. I think.

    Ille remember your surname soon, may take a while but it will come to me.
     
  8. Rik
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    At first I thought it must be our English, but if you are British, you should have gotten it by now.

    I am not the owner of all these boats, other than the silver one with the **** on it.

    The others are customers of mines boats with Arneson Surface Drives on them ranging from small to large. All showing boats that are being used but not showing a problem which does not exist.

    I do not have any photo of Barnacles destroying steering cylinders. As you can see from my customers boats, 99% of them are too large to be trailer queens so they spend full time in the salt water. I have yet to have a problem with steering cylinders failing due to barnacle growth. If there is a problem it is in the first time use as the seal was installed incorrectly. This is something that is taken care of as we support our products.

    Typically, the cylinders are rebuilt at about the same time the drives are, several thousand hours of use after they were put into service.

    If you have not gotten it yet, I do the sales and engineering for Arneson Surface Drives, and no I am not 4 years old, don't have a father, much less one with a boat to show you.

    Enough of the childish attacks and fallacies as it does not show anyone deserving of respect.
     
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  9. Rik
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    That boat you refer to is a 4 engine "M SHIP" which is 80' X 40' ship with a displacement of 65 tons reaches speeds of 51 knots.

    Most fun boat I've been involved with. Absolute blast to drive and be on.

    I was just wondering if there was a web site that I could go on and spew my negative unsubstantiated view on products you make your living from.

    As I have said, there is a way to prevent barnacles from growing on the steering cylinder shaft and it is very simple solution that is widely known and used.

    Do some research on cylinder design and you will find it.
     
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  10. Frosty

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    Thats right you are the Rik at Arnesons.

    I still cant remember your surname. You were wanting to supply me with a pair of your smaller models that had been overhauled, complete with trim motors.

    Had I been aware of some (way) of keeping barnacles off rams I might have been more interested, as it is I spend a lot of time cleaning props which I still beleive you do too even though you have some sort of banacle deterent on the rams that I have yet to see.

    I have Diamond backs, 4 blades 26x26 in bronze and will barely move the boat after 1 month.

    Apparantly you turn up at anytime and scream across the bay with a bird on the top without any fouling difficulties ( the props not the bird)

    I did look at Arnesons site to look for something about scraper seals.Perhaps you could give me an ERL.

    Dont worry about the piss taking, think of it as a kind of initiation thing.

    You did very well when we had a go at your girlfriend. Seems your more touchy about Arneson drives than you are about the girlfreind.

    I sent you a picture of my boat 4 years ago. I remember you had some props that were suitable at the time also. I very nearly had Arnesons on the boat from you. But you said my boat wasnt suitable to surface drives and you could'nt guarantee success. I didnt ask you to guarantee anything. You were very helpfull at first, but then you seem to become bored with my enquiries and I with your vague answers. Bit like you are now with pictures of your boats drives and comments such as check it out and you will see. Check out where?

    I guess you were too busy to deal with a " bull shitter spewing unsubstatiated veiws" sending you pictures of boats that were probably not his.

    I enjoyed that,---- its not often that life lets you get back to those infurating sales men. My dislike for Arneson was attached to you. Nothing personal !!

    I think Arnesons look great,-- and are very popular, just a shame I couldnt get some answers to help me to make the decision.

    (This brings back memories) So for the 3rd or 4th time, can I have some information on these seals and where to look.
     
  11. Rik
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    If you can afford her, she is ALL YOURS! :D Remember, regardless of what they look like, someone is already tired of their crap. She has since been replaced with a newer model. It's best to lease them than to buy.

    As for the seals, look and review my post.

    Remember, I had to search for yours. :D

    Sounds like you need to use your boat more often to avoid the build up of marine growth. Did that bottom paint on your propellers cost you any speed?

    You have semi displacement hull. Not the best for speed, but with the picture of your boat, it should be stable and good in the rougher sea conditions.
     
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  12. redtech
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    hay rik arnesons are good drives but i agree with frosty so how about some pics of the boats coming out of the water not going back in after repairs and not your freshwater disco bay boat
    just because you may have or work for arneson doesn't mean that there the best surface drive all around some drives just tend to do better than others in applacation.
    so how about ending the dick measuring arguement and answer the very first question asked here
    remember if you ask people what they think you'll get more than one answer
     
  13. Rik
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    Sorry, but I do not have any photos of what you are wanting to see.

    Do you?

    Have a better drive system, please post it.

    Please enlighten all of us to your world and please leave your measuring lingo behind.

    We can all throw stones, but nothing has any relevance without proof.

    This thread by the way was what is the best surface drive for a marine diesel, not show me some photos of an Arneson Surface Drive with Barnacle damage to a steering cylinder.
     
  14. redtech
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    this is all that i was saying lets get back to options for the thread starter in your opinon what is the best drive for marine diesels and does this change by boat type, size, wieght, and power plant
     

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