Best Inside Passage Trawler??

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by DanRay, Sep 10, 2010.

  1. BATAAN
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    Marketing noticed that when you're in a long, skinny and efficient motorboat it's all, well, long and skinny inside, almost claustrophobic for some people. "Make it wider so we can put in more stuff and people can move around and party and drink" they said. So you wind up with the typical "Bruisewater 39", sucking the fuel while making a huge wake with its fat, overloaded hull.
     
  2. DanRay
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    Hi and thanks again to the local guys and Alaskans for chipping in for conditions vs. speed vs costs.And thanks also to all those who'd like me to spend all my money and get into debt ;)

    The German war boats,no thanks.

    I do like the Passagemaker Lite boats,but they are much more than what I need.Though I'm not 100% sure on exact costs,I'd say the 56 wwould likely cost 7 figures + to build,and the 46 would probably be well over mybudget.

    I looked at West's boat specs on a test and it is as he says,I think in litres so from what I saw at 6.8 knots it's 9 litres an hour,at 8 knots around 12-13, and over 10 knots it jumps to 28 l/hr.
    The interesting thing is that like he says from 13-14 knots to 28 knots it is almost flat, .55 nautical mpg,with .6 mpg at a 24 knot cruise,going down to .5 mpg at wide open 29.5 knots.

    West i think that 50' is too big,but if a cheap boat comes up it may be ebst for the wife and young daughter,with family guests.

    If you don't mind we would really like to see your boat,I'll send you a message,please call.

    Thanks again.

    Dan R
     
  3. Tad
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    Dan,

    First thing to do is give your wife half the boat budget to squirrel away.......this is best believe me......:)

    Then go to advanced search in yachtworld and look at everything in the PNW under $150k.....in fiberglass with twin diesels it's about 550 boats.....lot's of choice......

    Buy a boat like this.....http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/Meridian-Pilothouse-2234733/Poulsbo/WA/United-States

    Or like this......http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/Gulf-Commander-Pilothouse-2244232/Sidney/Canada

    Or something even smaller for less investment......a boat is not a condo...don't think you're going to get anything back when you sell it.....you may...but you may not...so the investment better be equal to the use you get out of it.......

    Go cruising....use the boat for a couple of years...by then you and your family will know what you really want in a boat...it might be a lot smaller.....and get very little use.....
     
  4. apex1

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    Neat advice Tad!

    ...especially the first part.
     
  5. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    slight adjustment on tads advice if I might

    Never trust a woman with money, specially if its your money, and most specially if its your wife.
     
  6. wardd
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    yea, if you get a boat, it's yours until you die or it sinks
     
  7. WestVanHan
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    WestVanHan Not a Senior Member

    Called that number-no answer,answering machine not on...typo?

    Check email
     
  8. DanRay
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    Sorry to hear of some of the member's mistrust.
    We've been friends since 3 years of age,married 2 weeks out of high school,and just celebrated our 25th.

    Thank you Tad for the ideas and time for replying,we've been searching yachtworld and thanks to you and West we now know the route we will take.

    After being on West's yacht (WOW!!!) and seeing how much privacy and space is gained by an aft cabin layout that is the route we will take.But not so large as West's,we think from 36 to 41' or so.The space he has is just wonderful and the fuel economy is-like he says-better than trawlers.
    One well known respected trawler (58') we looked at online,West gets better mpg at 7 knots,it equals out at 10 and the mileage the 58' gets at 10.5 knots is the same West gets at 22 knots.

    As we both like cooking,many of the cheaper and older boat gallies are not well laid out for easy creating.Also most of their amenities are lacking,and they seem to be very compartmentalized with small areas and not much elbow room.Our daughter is 9,so any guests can have the fore cabin and we can make a nest for her in the aft stateroom.

    West made a very good point (as did Tad) to spend half on a cruiser.West advised us to invest the other half and the interest should cover the boating costs.
    We also don't really want an older boat,in the past we had one and the maintenance costs and time ate us up,so we'll get something newer and just enjoy time out on the water.As there is so much to see within 3 hours of Vancouver,it is unlikely we'll make it-if ever-to Alaska.

    Thanks once again to West for graciously spending an hour with us on his yacht..too bad it's not in the water ;)

    Thanks all for the advice.


    Dan,Sarah and Kelsey
     
  9. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    sounds like you got lucky Dan
    congratulations

    its a rare and spectacular thing when it happens
     
  10. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Would be curious to know finally which boat we have being discussing all the time. (west´s)

    Good luck Dan!
     
  11. Man Overboard
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    Man Overboard Tom Fugate

    A good boat, or a good woman?
     
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    wardd Senior Member

    good chicks dig boats
     
  13. Man Overboard
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    Man Overboard Tom Fugate

    Apex, Here is where he gives the boat info, I don't believe he states the model. Id like to know the displacement–length ratio, and the beam.
     
  14. apex1

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    Thank you!
     

  15. u4ea32
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    I think the reason a planing boat CAN POSSIBLY be more efficient than a trawler is if the planing boat is substantially lighter than a trawler.

    However, if both are the same displacement and length, there is no way an immersed transom, high wetted surface (chined V) hull with small high speed propellors is going to be more fuel efficient at displacement speeds than a full displacement trawler, with transom clear of the water and large slow turning propellor.
     
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