Bayliner 1950 dumped

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  1. butchinvenice
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    Someone dumped a Capri 1950 on the property I rent a part of. The owner of the property asked for my help. The HIN and Fl registration numbers were ground off. I know that boats built after a certain date are supposed to have a second hidden HIN. Does anyone know where this number is so that we can trace the vessel back to the person who dumped it?
    Thanks in advance for your help and have a great day,
    Butch
     
  2. philSweet
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    Get a recip saw and a box of strong black commercial trash bags. Set a couple bags a week out by the curb. It doesn't weigh that much. Careful with the saw around the fuel tank.
     
  3. Rurudyne
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    Call the cops and tell them you think you may have had a stolen boat dumped on your lap. Give them what info you can. As it may be stolen property/evidence they may take it away for you.
     
  4. jonr
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    I predict that the dumper will claim that they sold it to someone else years ago and so it's not their problem.
     
  5. Rurudyne
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    hey, tax evasion for not turning over the sales tax. ;)
     
  6. PAR
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    Even if you do back track the boat title or registration (the easier way), you can't prove they dumped it, unless you have "cooperating" testimony from eye witnesses or time/date stamped video (or stills) cameras, that are acceptable as evidence (some aren't).

    Simply put, just because it's there, doesn't mean you can prove someone dumped it.

    If the HIN is ground off, it's probably stolen, so you have two choices. The first is to call the Fish and Wildlife department, for pick up of an abandoned boat or cut it up and dispose of it yourself. Considering Rick Scott, in his absolute lack of wisdom, has seriously cut the "recovery" program, so that only "threats to navigation" get picked up (still takes months), you're best bet is to cut it up and drag it to the land fill. Personally, I wouldn't bother cutting it up, but would drag it onto a trailer, any old way I could and take the whole thing to the land fill. They may charge you or they may not, depending on if they can burn it in their incinerator (most can), so to them it's just free fuel.
     
  7. Mr Efficiency
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    Are you saying there is sales tax on second-hand goods where you live ? :eek:
     
  8. PAR
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    No there isn't between private parties, but yes there is if sold by a dealer or other licensed seller (or reseller). Simply put, if a boat was taken as a trade in (for example) on the purchase of a new boat, the dealer would be required to pay sales tax on a subsequent sale of the used boat. On the other hand, if the boat was purchased from JimBob, after looking it over in his driveway, then no sales tax is applied. In this case, you'll be hit when the registration is transferred.
     
  9. Mr Efficiency
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    OK, thanks for the explanation, I thought it might have included private sellers having to act as tax collectors !
     
  10. NavalSArtichoke
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    If the derelict boat was manufactured in 1950, there was no US federal requirement for an HIN to be stamped of affixed to the hull, AFAIK.

    The attached slide show shows that HINs were mandatory for boats made after Nov. 1972 and secondary HINs were required on boats made after Aug. 1984.

    http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf & Training/NASBLA HIN comp.pdf

    You might have to contact Bayliner or someone familiar with their boats from 1950 to see if there are features which might help you identify this beastie.
     
  11. Mr Efficiency
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    I doubt 1950 refers to year of manufacture, just a model designation.
     
  12. NavalSArtichoke
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    OK, but Bayliner or someone knowledgeable (like a boat broker) should be able to assist the OP in locating any secondary HIN on the derelict boat. The attachment in my earlier post suggests that the secondary HIN can be located in a variety of places on a hull and varies from mfg. to mfg.
     
  13. Mr Efficiency
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    Maybe it isn't valueless and it's "finders keepers" ! In any event, I'm not sure tenants are responsible for fixing illegal dumping that occurs on property they lease.
     
  14. PAR
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    A "boat broker" wouldn't have a clue as to a registration or title search on this boat. There's no such thing as "finders keepers" either. If you try to re-register the boat, the inspection process will see the hacked out HIN and start looking for the hidden one, which the boneheads that carved up the transom aren't likely to have known about. With the HIN in hand, a quick search will tell all and the poor guy could be sitting on stolen goods, which is a chargeable offense.

    Each state has their own rules and methods for these types of searches and all you need to do is contact the DMV or Fish and Game department (whoever issues registrations) and fill out a some forms. It easier and much faster if you have a Fish and Game officer friend, who can perform the search on their office data base. Ultimately, this only yields the last title holder and the last year the boat was registered. The boat could have changed hands, without the appropriate paper work, so proving anything isn't possible, with just this paper trail.

    There's only a few possible reasons for someone to hack off the HIN, none particularly appetizing, so the best advise is to drag it to the land fill.
     

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    For a lot of things there is in Texas.

    Not that they police all garage or estate sales thanks to some "occasional sale exemption" rule ... though it gets even better, at the $3000 annual cut off for the exemption (for things like garage sales) Texas requires you to get a sales tax permit, you can't just collect sales tax.

    Frankly, that, along with things like needing a license to merely conduct business, is BS of the worst sort. It all comes about because at some point we stopped being a free country and started being a fee country.
     
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