Are You Personally Prepared For a Natural Disaster?

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  1. Frosty

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    Lot of verbal there but no reason for the opinion.
     
  2. michael pierzga
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    They always carried animals on sailing ships. Be a bad choice in modern times. Polluting someone else's neighborhood is not a very friendly gesture. You would get arrested as soon as you hit port. Best stick to indigenous plants. Aren't coconuts indigenous ? Sweet potato ?
     
  3. Frosty

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    What Mr twidley is forgetting is that if England had not took animals to sea and set them free in places then Australia and Tasmania would not exist as it does today.

    Africa needs such a plan release pigs and goats to feed the people, rabbits, kangaroos everything you name it.
     
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    Hi Frosty,
    Are you intimating that one "Mr twidley" should also be considered to be an undesirable, non-indigenous, relocated species? - - That may be a bit harsh, but logically follows on along the lines of the postulation he himself presented? - unless I am mistaken again?..... :eek:

    Hi Michael,
    Some coconuts like the Malaysian Dwarf, have been recently introduced, (past 100 years) and commercially planted in the Northern regions of Queensland - It is a bit far for them to disperse naturally,
     
  5. Submarine Tom

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    "Lot of verbal there..."

    Now that's a memorable quote Frosty coming from you.
     
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    From a goat's POV, men are probably undesirable non-indigenous species too.

    Times change.

    Priorities change.

    What was acceptable a few hundred years ago somewhere can't be done today.
     
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    Postgraduate university degree in population ecology, extensive literature and personal observations over nearly 40 years is sufficient for me.

    PDW
     
  8. Frosty

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    Then you should know the answer then. I don't remember asking for a resume.

    Why should you not release goats on an island that has not got any That is what you are trying to answer?
     
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    masalai masalai

    Academic sciences in practical matters may be over-rated :?:
     
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    Because goats eat and destroy everything !!

    Soon all the delicate ground cover vegetation is gone and this effects all the other critters that live their.

    Introducing foreign species to a closed ecosystem like an island is very destructive. Think of the Mongoose introduced to control snakes and its role in the spread of Rabies.

    Australia, a closed island ecosytem, is full of Foreign species causing destruction. Rabbits brought by ships for instance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia
     
  11. Frosty

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    Goats do live --sucesfully in many places even Spain they are very popular.
    How does Spain get over the horrendous vegetation devastation you say they do.

    You know-- I have a feeling that no matter what animal I post there will be devastation from it,---err lets try rabbit or crocodile or Elephant ---all equally devestating eh?


    Maybe no animals is better.
     
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    Frosty..I dont know.

    But remember that there is a big difference between a closed island ecosystem and a heavily populated agricultural based region like Spain.

    Read the obituary of poor Lonesome George http://davidstang.com/?p=301 to understand the terrible destruction caused by feral goats
     
  13. Frosty

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    well I dont know either. Seems the experts have run away.
     
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    The "natural way" is for a surplus of food to create a population explosion, which may be the food source for the next species up the food chain and so on until overpopulation causes mass starvation and extinction...

    Becoming a vegan will not prolong live and only serve to reduce ones health by not having a varied diet...

    When stuff is introduced to a closed culture/ecosystem, management of control systems will be needed to ensure sustainability or accept that change will take place and any reversal by total removal of some of the 'ferals' will still cause ecological devastation somewhere/somehow...

    Total removal of the invasive stuff will demand extensive and expensive intervention programs to return balance to an ecosystem... That is, what has been done cannot be readily reversed as the historical balance of "past stability" is changed for ever...

    Chopping down some coconuts will NOT fix the "issue", as, in the case of the Pine Island lighthouse ecosystem. Somehow some cacti was introduced and the goats kept that in check, remove the goats and total devastation by the cacti... - - - Begs the question - - - "Who is the idiot that removed the goats" or "Closed the manned lighthouse that ensured some control of the goat population". . . Pine Island is a small island to the west of and close to Middle Percy Island - Mid Percy still has some goats, (a very rare - black - British breed), as the residents ensure control by eating them at "feast days for visiting yachties"...
     

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    Unfortunately for you, Mas, when I read that remark I have to consider the source and its published track record in things practical. You didn't build your own boat and now you can't repair it, leading me to believe that you lack the practical skills to do either. I've built 3 houses including the one I live in, the big workshop and the so far unfinished steel boat inside it. I've got trade qualifications in welding, fitting & machining and toolmaking as well as my university qualifications. In fact I have 2 TAFE medals for topping the state in welding, back in the day.

    And you......?

    Releasing goats onto islands without them is practical stupidity. In short order you have little or no vegetation left and a population collapse amongst the goats, with the survivors being a very lean and unpalatable bunch.

    This has been demonstrated so many times in practice that only the willfully ignorant or an equally idiotic troll would even attempt to dispute it. It's not worth any of my time to bother debating further.

    PDW
     
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