Are You Personally Prepared For a Natural Disaster?

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  1. pdwiley
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    Except for the minor detail that they're all in the malaria zone, that is. They also have sharks & crocodiles, at least PNG & SI do from my personal experience.

    Personally I avoid spending time in malaria zones. The drugs are bad news and malaria is worse, so the optimum solution is to be somewhere else.

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  2. Silver Raven
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    Gooday you two - - maybe - "masalai = bb = fsf" - gota love it - fat spatula fingers - YEA - great nic-name - me thinks.

    As for you - 'Hoy te dow' - aka 'hoy's holiday homes for rent' - OZ is your place - me-mate, Ha ha ha ha

    Great balls of fire - well mine are not - as yet - but hten if I stay - off the water long enough - they probably will be.

    'fsf' - tnx talk - how's the engine room, motor, sump-oil, etc etc.

    Water level; in Samarai (not in 'CNO's engine room) - I was more thinking of 'tsunami' waves - so I'd thought of something like 450 mtrs above sea-level & 2 k inland - on a nice hill c/w trees to have 'sundowners' under & watch the ocean & some - fresh fish, taro & a chook on the 'barbie' with some nice company - JUST might beat - London @ 25 quid a coffee.

    Sure sounds like a nice trip - - @ approx $80.00 AUD/wk = $2400.00 AUD for 30 wks ??? - - very reasonable living & travelling costs - but I sure would have trouble finding that much - spare in my back pocket. Wonder if I could get a - forward-loan off the OZ Gvnmnt - just to get me to leave the country ???

    Growing all those crops - is good - (I'll be in the paddock at sunrise) - but can we get them to market on 'CNO' - buy some - heavy-duty gal fencing - some 8' to 10' star-pickets - a few chooks & a bit of meat (your choice) ha ha ha - pay for fuel (if we haven't harvested enough coco-nut-oil) - a bit for 'sundowners' & still have enough left to get back to Cairns ???

    Think 'it all' sounds better - to any 'sane' person (other than THE Dame Edna) than trying to grow coconuts in London ??? I'm all for Samarai & I'll pass on London - didn't want to watch the Olympics anyway ! ! !

    Ciao, jj
     
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    Hi PDW,
    All are hunted and keep populations in "balance", as the usual fish the villagers seek are sparse, due to illegal & indiscriminate fishing by poachers from overseas, - - - - so minimal risk, Tell the next village of a sighting and they will go hunting for some protein...

    Malaria is manageable so long as the lazy tourists take the medicine as prescribed and do not in their stupidity allow another line of defence to become neutralised by forgetting to take as prescribed - as there are limited avenues left for effective treatment...

    I have had most strains, including falciparum (cerebral) malaria, Vivax malaria and so on, http://www.travmed.com/health_guide/ch7.htm - I know the risks, am comfortable with the prophylactic and control treatment...

    I will hammer the proper course of control again - use something like chloroquine phosphate as a prophylactic, - Old and useful at keeping symptoms from destroying a holiday...

    Keep the latest and most effective for treatment for AFTER you return home and when you leave the malarial region, as there are not many effective treatments left, - - because of failure of too many holiday makers in taking the medicine AS PRESCRIBED and the virus gaining resistance to many drugs. - - Commence a doctor supervised regime to control the virus AFTER you return home, with regular blood tests - http://www.geosalud.com/saludviajero/profilaxismalaria.htm
     
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    Gooday all. Seems that - over-crouding - of the coconut plantation & someone 'nicking the vegies & fruit' - will not be as much a problem - cause PDW will not be wanting to put the price of land up by bidding high prices for the property next door - & I guess we'll just have to live without his - very unique strain of 'mala' infecting - all us normal people. Thank goodness - for built-in - less risk factor management systems - hey ??? Ciao, jj
     
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    Sorry but malaria is not a virus. Look it up. The drugs, taken long-term, are not good for you.

    As for fishing, we aren't likely to agree - poaching has an impact but overpopulation and overfishing has a bigger one on the inshore reef areas not to mention deforestation, runoff, reef siltation et al. It's an incurable problem - well, the cure is a population decline and a lot of education plus alternative food sources, hence effectively incurable.

    Sharks, with the exception of a couple species (I hate tiger sharks), don't worry me much - I spent 5 years working as tech officer to a shark biologist and we live-tagged thousands of the things. Saltwater crocodiles over 2m should be shot on sight IMO. If I get up north in my boat, there'll be a heavy calibre rifle aboard to deal with crocodiles. In my younger days, we went swimming places in the Kimberlies that make me wonder just how lucky we were, thinking back. Less big crocs then of course as they hadn't recovered from the hunting pressures and bred back up.

    No, I'm not going to be competing for land etc in PNG or SI. Visit, maybe, but I grew up in Sydney, have lived in deserts, tropics, now live in Hobart and frankly the temperate climate is best for me. Other people make their own choices.

    Funny. When I was working in SI some years ago I used to get asked if Australia would take them back as a colony as they used to tell me they were better off when the British ran the place. I always used to say no way but these days we've got troops on the ground to stabilise the Govt. I do wonder just how long it'll be before we're back in PNG as well. Bet the Indonesians would be happier if we were.

    Boat show is on in 2 weeks, I'm going to take a look at watermakers etc.

    PDW
     
  7. Frosty

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    No place you visit for a holiday is the same to live in yet the place remains exactly the same.

    Where the hell is SI or PNG anyway --can we stop abbreviating.

    I saw a documentary on Tasmania farming life. The baffon of a guy just thought they wanted to see how strong he was so he tried to lift a horse. Then when the cameras fially got awaqy and were talking to his wife in wellingtons he came up to the camera with a tree axe and held it at the end with one hand and attempted to lower it to his face without cutting himself.

    Im sure not all Tasmanian people are like this.
     
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    Sorry PDW.
    I meant/should have said - parasite - I will blame age and dementia... :D :eek:

    Maybe so, but since 1964 on and off (mostly on) till 98.... Steffe edis elbaciton on era ereht...

    As for lack of fish I have noticed it - mid 70's when I left for a while and on return noticed a distinct lack of fish in the nearby waters and in the diet of the villagers, then during several visits after '00, the local villagers seemed to actively seek out crocodiles and shark as everything had been fished out (tuna and other large fish that used to be in abundance and meet the needs for the villager for meat... Pig is only for special occasions and no other meat is available at remote villager level around the islands off PNG (Papua New Guinea)...

    Similar questions are asked by the old people who can remember "colonial days" such things as better Law & Order and
    - - To walk along the Kings Highway was a sacred right regardless that the sides of the road were lined with your mortal enemy, to travel along the government road one was guaranteed to be safe and free to progress... Lots of the old people - even in the days immediately before independence regret being "set free" and removed from under the wing of Australia...

    Have a look here and see what the PNG national thinks of the current crop of politicians in PNG http://www.network54.com/Forum/159830/

    Hi Frosty PNG is "papa You gimme" by some indigenous tongue in cheek commentators in the light of current leadership or correctly Papua New Guinea , - - - and SI is Solomon Islands - where the proverbial King Solomon's gold mine is hidden...

    Most of the deforestation is plunder and theft, - or - bribery and corruption not so much by the villagers, as they are usually the victims... They may well appreciate assistance in improving soil fertility via something like the "terra-preta" processes and introduction of charcoal granules to the soil instead of burning woody waste to ash...

    For watermakers - look on the net under "RO watermakers for sea water use" and search Australian sites... DO NOT SELECT those promoting "energy recovery technology" as they use a Clark-pump and are quite inefficient in terms of A/H of electricity or energy per litre of fresh potable water delivered...

    http://www.cruiserowaterandpower.com/WaterMakers.html?gclid=CIKq0_XHpbECFYaYpAodEW0-Ow this one I would like at present exchange rates =Au$3653 = US$3800 but I would need 220/240VAC 50hz for honda-generator and mains voltage electric pump, but this one only delivers 75 litres per hour...
     
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    You believe what you see on TV?

    I don't think anything I can say can come close to addressing your level of credulity, so I won't bother.

    FWIW I don't even own a TV let alone waste time watching one.

    PDW
     
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    Yes, I agree.

    However the rate of growth in population is a really bad thing for a subsistence level society. It's unsustainable.

    When I was working in Honiara there were always young men dressed in latest USA rapper bad guy styles hanging about on the corners with no money & nothing to do all day. I never had a moment's problem with them, they were just guys watching life go by, but there were far more of them than work and nothing back in the villages for them either.

    I'm not wise enough to know what helps and I'm not arrogant enough to try telling them what they should do; there's ample facts out there showing what not to do however, and PNG is ignoring all of it.

    Go soon and enjoy yourself, I'd say. As usual, the further away from urban concentrations you are, the better things are likely to be. Precisely why I live in Tasmania rather than Sydney, frankly. Personally, I have the itch to see the Kimberley coast again before it's totally trashed by gas plants & tourism. Still got memories of lying on Cable Beach in the warm water, watching the sun set & drinking beer. Or fishing in the edge of the tide race running through the Hole in the Wall in the Wessels. Lots of wonderful places off the track a bit.

    On watermakers, I expect that if I need one I'll build one. I've been following your other thread on it.

    PDW
     
  11. Frosty

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    Why not believe what you see on Tv its not a cartoon, you can think as well, its not down loaded just presented. The numpty tried to lift a horse.

    Do you own an axe.

    So how do you know whats going on then in the real world.

    So I guess you dont even know who Yahoo Serious is in his hilarious Tasmanian movie E=MC/2 20 years ago.
     
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    Hi PDW, Most of the Youth in Honiara are from Malaita seeking a Government job - they are the more educated ones and probably Seven Day Adventists as there are several good schools over on Malaita...

    The Malaitans staying in Honiara may seem to have no job to earn money, their land is a long way away, and no money or too much 'shame' to go home - they will pick up casual work on the wharf and so on...

    The Guadals have their custom land, are less well educated and lack, what seems like to the casual observer, 'Protestant work ethic' or 'self motivation' most of the local villagers (Guadals) have nice coconut and cocoa plantings and vege gardens with a comfortable lifestyle... They may come to town on market days, otherwise stay in their villages...

    To the north of town is a catholic school and a lot of people from Rennel Island (White River area) - these people have straight hair and fairly fine features (very much like Tamils from southern India or Ceylon)...
     
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    Yes, that all matches with what I knew when I was there. I was working on software projects funded by AusAID for the SI Ministry of Finance. I'm well aware of 'island time'. Also the lack of job opportunities, the onetok system and Malaitans causing problems on Guadalcanal due to lack of jobs etc. My project partner was married to a Guadalcanal woman.

    Every time I returned to Honiara they'd been cutting more trees down and the main street had more holes, turning it into a dusty and potholed place. Pity as more trees with their shade were needed, not less.

    I've fond memories of drinking at the Mendana and the yacht club next door, where we often went for lunch. One day I may go back, though one of my ex-staff who worked for FFA up there and is now in Noumea says his current location is a lot nicer.

    The anchorage off the club is pretty ordinary from what I remember.

    PDW
     
  14. Frosty

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    PNG mean Papya new guinee, Oh Oh.

    I have been told of 2 stories of PNG. One as a boat on anchor and thieves /robbers / pirates /bastrads whar ever tried to break into a boat with the people still inside. They were petrified with fear as the thieves tried to open the hatches. they did not care at all that they were on board, Finally other boats came to help them.

    Another was at anchor too, kids in a boat ramming a yacht threatening them untill they got money.

    No-- not for me sorry isolation only makes these lawless places worse.
     

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