Are You Personally Prepared For a Natural Disaster?

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  1. masalai
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    Hi Sam Sam - My investment suggestion is to buy land which will grow enough food for your family - - Make sure you have available water for those crops, and are sufficiently isolated or hidden from passing view that your hard work will not be stolen...
     
  2. mydauphin
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    Real estate prices will go up because of inflation, in other words failing currency. But its actual value will drop. The Price of upkeep will also go up because of government needing/wanting more money. So if your going to buy land or guns , buy them now before everyone figures out you can't eat gold or stocks.
     
  3. Frosty

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    Where you live maybe --wherever that may be?

    Any one from anywhere can buy property in London and thats one of the reasons it is a good investment because your sales can be global from kings to Singapore business men.

    It does little to help Londoners though.

    England is the only place I know were anyone can buy anything,--unless you know different.

    I will need some proof on this.
     
  4. Silver Raven
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    Gooday there 'masa' Like the idea - - but - - what crops -with an eye to changing global temps & rain-fall. Also - how high above current sea-level - would you choose to do all this - even if you only 1/4 believe in the ocean rising or land-mass shift - especially if one lives or wants to anywhere north of OZ ???? Good ideas though - can I help - grow some crops - for eating & survival - please. Ciao, james
     
  5. masalai
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    Tree crops initially as they take longest to establish - whatever grows now - and will be 'happy' in present climatic conditions - fruit, berries, nuts, then peanuts and other ground (cover-crops)...

    Where you are coffee, custard apple, nectarine, mulberry, cape-gooseberry, paw-paw, Brazilian-cherry, bananas, mango, avocado, tomato, cucumber, and so on - lettuce - let it seed and eat the seedlings as they may not "heart", bokchoi, and other leafy greens to your taste...

    On the sea shore, I would also plant some Galip and Tallis trees for the nuts and further inland several hundred acres of coconuts if I can get the land...

    Have a good high chicken wire fence enclosing the whole area, to keep dogs out, and free-range poultry for insect-control, eggs and meat...

    On 20 or more acres look to run 'hairless sheep' like Dorper, or their cross bred 'minis', to control grass and 'feed the man meat'... http://www.cleanskinsheep.com.au/breeddescription.htm - - A 'vegie-patch', fence so the sheep do not feast on your vegetables...

    Sea level rise will be very slow and possibly not adversely affect my desired lifestyle, as the water rises (for the young and if it gets to that stage) take cuttings and seedlings from the threatened trees and plant up on higher ground... I like the sea shore, and that is where I will be... Where one can, plant lots of coconuts the tree of life is always useful and desirable... I like the tall Cocos-Nucifera, the green Melanesian variety is resistant to rhinoceros-beetle attack and it carries nuts that are twice the size of the Malaysian red dwarf, which readily succumbs to an attack by rhinoceros beetle...

    The worst case scenario is some 90 metres, I think, but likely I am wrong - calculations have been done by measuring (using airborne downward looking radar), the volume of ice above sea level and resting on land (not floating) in Antarctic, Greenland, Iceland and possibly the tundra/permafrost regions of Russia... Water levels, if it happens, will be a gradual increase over years - nothing like what the Hollywood drama queens present...
     
  6. Frosty

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    A lot of people die every year and even daily risking their lifes trying to get to Australia. Is it correct to assume that Mas is trying to get out to plant food and breed chickens in the dirt some where in a manner similar to the lifes of those that are trying to escape from.

    But even putting this remarkable journey aside what are the visa requirements for this part of the world. All countries have them and it is generally the case that those most needy of investment are the most stringent and tenacious in following those laws.

    Im pretty sure that 6 months or less will be sufficient to realize the obvious mistake.
     
  7. masalai
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    Benefits of remote island life
    Some got deleted somehow? - - My fat spatula fingers? - - I find "nanny state" to be a place worthy of avoiding, I prefer a warm tropical climate preferably with the regular afternoon diurnal downpour, ocean water temperatures around 30 deg C or 28 under the trees... A beach almond to sit under and enjoy a cold home brew in the afternoon watching the rain come in...

    No guns, - - No religious extremism, - - No cellphones, - - No internet, - - No highways, - - No reticulated power, - - No reticulated water, - - NO daily garbage and sewerage services to go on strike, - - No Cyclones (equivalent of Typhoons in the Northern hemisphere) - -

    Yes pleasant tropical climate, - - Yes isolated islands, - - Yes I speak the language, - - Yes I can get around on my boat or rubber-duckie - - Yes PARADISE (Not quite as urbanised and polluted as where you live)...

    ... Frosty are you heading back to ENGLAND with your tail between your legs? your situation may be less accommodating than my going North...

    Why the "Boat People" you ask?
    Those who risk life and limb to come here, will likely bring their baggage with them and endeavour to recreate their world here - SO WHY the F do the fools continue to come? - the society they crave is where they came from... Australia IS A DRY CONTINENT mostly not even fit for camels, such that even they found parts of the Centre, & North West barely a survivable habitat...

    The dry continent
    A couple of years ago the water situation in residential regions was quite dire with WA, SA, NSW and Queensland preparing to accept that RO water supply was the only option left - THEN THE FLOODS CAME :D :eek: :D and the costs have ensured that water is nor more than double the price... Jobs are no better for non English speaking unskilled labour... The gravy train of dole money will not last much longer then they will be making the same trip back, or taking to criminal behaviour...
     
  8. Frosty

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    No need to bother yourself with any of the points you make above unless your wanting to camp down in Kings Cross. You can scrape out a hole in the dirt near Darwin some where and not know the difference yet legal with health care.

    There are places in Aus where you need not see another human being.

    The only difference I can see is that the sun will set behind you.

    My trip to UK last week was disappointing --visiting third world counties always is and I had to pay 25 pounds to see a Doctor. Just being British does not qualify for health care, some thing you might want to give serious consideration to at your age.
     
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    Australia is dry ...

    Both sides of Cape York are too infertile & dry - or - drowning in heavy downpours of a foot or more in hours, - - or National Parks,

    NT is full of bureaucrats and has 2 seasons The Wet where swimming with crocodiles is a risk one must take or die of hunger & cold, - or The Dry where the bull dust floats in the air for hours after you have passed through...

    The Ord irrigation area, near the border of WA and NT, has so many insects that there are serious dogfights (arial combat like the "Battle of Britain") by mosquitoes fighting for landing rights to suck your blood...

    The Kimberly, West to about Broome, is large tracts of bare rock plateau with deep fiords splitting the landscape and the shoreline protected by 30ft plus tides...

    From Geraldton in the West around the top end and down to Bundaberg is CROCODILE COUNTRY - swim at your peril...
     
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    You make it sound like a nice place to visit.
     
  11. masalai
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    Sarcasm will get you everywhere :D :D

    You need a boat, because if the crocodiles don't get you then there is the sharks... (In "Jaws", the Hollywood dramatisation by the "drama queens" was an understatement on the normal ruthless efficiency of an attack - if you see it coming it is curious, - not really hungry...) and the almost invisible Irukandji or box jellyfish, that can inflict a very painful death if you swim in their wake as the tentacles trail some 1 to 2 metres... and on land there are red-back, trapdoor, funnel-web, and a host of other poisonous spiders as well as an array of poisonous snakes that usually do not advertise their presence... Oh and I almost forgot - the Dingo... a silent scavenger capable of lifting a sleeping baby to feed its cubs... Most other predators and nasties are imported somewhere and somehow...

    PNG, Solomon Islands, and Vanuatu are, by comparison, quite benign.......
     
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    Hi Hoyt, - BOTH imported... http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/insects/red-fire-ant.html and wasps?..see above... :eek: :D :D :D :D :D

    "Native to the wilds of Australia", - Oh that one - keeps things nice in the more remote regions, where only the stupid venture to live (or they hate neighbours visiting)?

    That wasp is not interested in stinging or killing humanity ! (YET) :eek: do not mess with nature - say NO to Genetic Modification/Manipulation...
     
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    Red imported fire ant - Solenopsis invicta-we have those here too. They got a hold of me the other day coming up both legs and biting at the same time. Fire is a good description of the sensation they inflicted.
     

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