Are Dutch inland water tugs (sleepboot) suitable for Mediterranean Aegean sea?

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by YiannisK, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM.

  1. YiannisK
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    Dear friends,
    I am a great fun of the classic Dutch tug boats, I want to buy one and bring her to Greece and use her for family cruises. I want to ask if are they suitable for salt water and open seas like Aegean. Can they sail with force 5?
     
  2. TANSL
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    I do not think it is possible to express general rigorous opinions, valid for all Dutch tugs boats. You should give more details of your boat.
     
  3. gonzo
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    Are you asking about canal tugs?
     
  4. YiannisK
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    Dear friends, TANSL & gonzo
    I'm asking for 17 to 19 meters inland water tugs similar to the ones in the pictures
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  5. TANSL
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    Beautiful boats.
    My opinion is that, with boats of the shapes of the photos, you can navigate wherever you want. You should study flooding points, freebooard, stability, and something else to determine if you can reach category "C" (up to 6 Beaufort) but I believe that will be very possible.
     
  6. Nico Crispi
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    Hello YiannisK. Force 5 can be considered quite common in the Eastern Med and can come up suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere during the Meltemi season. The Aegean with its many islands, winds and currents can be a washing machine without patterns or consistency and I'd only trust the advice of the local mariners who know what kind of boat is best suited for those waters.

    BTW have you ever been taken on one of those Dutch river tugs out in open waters for a spin?
     
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  7. TANSL
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    Nico Crispi, you seem to know the area very well, that's why you can answer the OP's question, which is not what is the best boat for that area, but if that type of boat he shows in the photo, is suitable for the area, with conditions of Wind force 5.
     
  8. Nico Crispi
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    Hi TANSL.
    This is a little like a DMD being asked for an opinion on a toothache without first looking at an X Ray.
    The one thing that one can say with a fair degree of certainty is that those tugs are built for towing heavy loads at low speeds, lots of low end torque and no speed to speak of. I'd like to be able to run and hide on a moment's notice in the Eastern Med and that nice tug can't do that.
    Homer's Wine Dark Sea is the resting place of many an insouciant mariner.
     
  9. TANSL
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    I agree with you on several of the things you say but do not forget that most types of tugs are made to push or pull objects afloat at very small speed. However, when they do not push or pull, they can easily reach speeds of 12 or 14 knots.
    Of course, we would have to know many more things about the ship to give an adequate answer. But, as I was saying, I think that knowing the best type of boat for those coasts is not what concerns the OP.
    Cheers.
     
  10. Nico Crispi
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    Displacement speed factors for 17 meters pencil out at 10.0074 kts for a perfect boat under optimum conditions, no currents, no winds, no wave action. Now then, we know that Force 5 is 17-21 kts of wind, right? :confused:
     
  11. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Dutch inland water tugs are designed and built for their task, which is use in inland waters, and that doesn't include going out in the Mediterranean Aegean, which conditions are perfectly described by Nico Crispi as not suitable for any inland boat.

    Of course Nico's valuable contribution was questioned by TANSL, as always, while TANSL's own contributions most of the time only contain 100% nonsense and, like here, are just provoking to get into a polemic discussion, and so hijacking the thread.

    So, Nico and Yiannis, just be warned for this man, and his behavior on these forums . . :(

    Good luck, Yiannis & Nico . . ! !
     
  12. TANSL
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    @Nico Crispi, sorry, I do not understand the phrase "Displacement speed factors for 17 meters pencil out at 10.0074 kts", and, therefore, I don´t know where you want to go.
    But I would like the OP to give us more information about his ship in order to be able to answer the specific question he asks.
    I do not think I questioned your contribution at all. I express what I think with all due respect and try to redirect the answer that I think was not exactly in the direction that the OP intended. If I have bothered you, although I do not know how I could have done it, I present my apologies.
     
  13. Nico Crispi
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    Thanks Angélique, marquise des anges.
    As you see I inserted a smiley in my last post as a way of saying ... Ciao.
     
  14. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    TANSL, if you want to know, then that's easy to find out if you have a computer and internet access, by using a search engine, and if you don't know these essential things, how can you give a good advice about the use of a boat here . . ? ?
     

  15. TANSL
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    Thank you Angélique, I have no choice but to thank you for the respectful and kind treatment you give me. Honestly, I do not see any evil in saying that I do not understand a phrase, which may be an English expression.
     
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