arctic ice increases 60%

For some reason this 'wait and see' approach makes me think of driving a car by looking out the back window, watching where you've been instead of where you're going.

I don't see where this "Antarctic sea ice hit 35-year record high Saturday" article, written by Jason Samenow, bolsters CG or GW deniers arguments. It states the facts and then wonders why and offers a few theories why.

In fact, down in the article it refers to another article "Arctic sea ice has *not* recovered, in 7 visuals" http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rctic-sea-ice-has-not-recovered-in-7-visuals/ also written by Jason Samenow, that refutes the basis for this whole thread, that "arctic ice increases 60%" proves CG or GW is bogus.

Even hoytedow endorses Jason Samenow.

These two graphs come from there and also suggests to me a possible reason behind this latest supposed Antarctic sea ice increase. That while the satellite photos show increasing surface area of ice, they don't show the volume of ice. If there is more freshwater from previous ice melt, as BB says, pushed by higher winds, it will float and spread out in a bigger area. It would be like skim ice in a pond, thick enough to catch snow and look the same as thick ice, but in reality is not thick and so has no volume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMDmS783Ro#action=share

and this one.



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Cool !!! My kinda graph '!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Um not sure where I admit anything. I'm pointing out he studied atmos science at a minor univ. only got a Masters in it (which is usually an indication of failing out of a Phd program) and then went on to be a political hack.

No I don't think he knows more than I do.

Now its curious that you are making this personal about me. Isn't that contrary to the spirit of this place?

 

I am asking you what qualifies you to question his standing in climatology, not trying to make it personal about you although you are calling his person a hack. God knows what you call me and how little I personally care.

 

If you think this was a personal attack then your skin is too thin. Thanks for the unsigned neg rep, by the way. Anonymous hits are verboten.

 

I have no idea how to "sign" a feedback, and all the negative ones I have gotten have also been "unsigned". Again, personal attacks are personal attacks.

 

Well I look at his employment record and his education history.

His education is weak, and his employment history is that of a political hack. I provided the link. Anyone that worked in the GWB WH on atmospheric science, particularly in writing position papers, is not very credible.

I search JStor for him and basically find nothing (in comparison to someone like Cliff Maas) so he hasn't really done any actual science in the field he is commenting on.

 

Not all of them are unsigned.

 

If the negative rep was unsigned, how did you know who it came from? Most, if not all, of the neg reps that I've received were unsigned.

 

I sign them all, be they pos or neg.

 

yes, quite well in fact. I did not "cite" anyone, I only posted an article that might make interesting reading to this thread since it happens to be in line with the thread title.

I neither accept nor deny man made global warming, I have been reading about it for over 30 years in both the "popular" and scientific literature. I find it all interesting, but think that only time will tell if the experts are really that good at predicting the future.

 

another interesting article about global cooling:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfe...l-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/2/

quote:

The German Herald reported on March 31, 2013,

“German meteorologists say that the start of 2013 is now the coldest in 208 years – and now German media has quoted Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov from the St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory [saying this] is proof as he said earlier that we are heading for a “Mini Ice Age.” Talking to German media the scientist who first made his prediction in 2005 said that after studying sunspots and their relationship with climate change on Earth, we are now on an ‘unavoidable advance towards a deep temperature drop.’”

quote:
Booker adds, “Last week it was reported that 3,318 places in the USA had recorded their lowest temperatures for this time of year since records began. Similar record cold was experienced by places in every province of Canada. So cold has the Russian winter been that Moscow had its deepest snowfall in 134 years of observations.”

 

Antarctic produced its coldest temperature ever in 2010 at minus -135.8* F in 2010
In 2013 that is still a minus -135.3*F
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...-record-for-coldest-temperature-on-earth.html

There is no warming. We have burned up a lot of fossil fuels and now have global cooling. The temperature does what it wants regardless of what we do.

Now diehards will never give up on global warming.
Now claiming that sunlight dimming is the cause of the pause

Note the continuing alarmist tones, another trait we will never be rid of the sky is falling mentality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

 

Global cooling leads to ACW(Anthropogenic Cabin Warming).

 

A couple of inconvenient charts from the Wikipedia article you cited:


Sun-blocking aerosols around the world steadily declined (red line) since the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo, according to satellite estimates. Credit: Michael Mishchenko, NASA



This figure shows the level of agreement between a climate model driven by five factors and the historical temperature record. The negative component identified as "sulfate" is associated with the aerosol emissions blamed for global dimming.