Anyone know what happened to the foilers in the Texel?

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  1. jonas a
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    i think the challenge with foilers in general is that there still is a lot of r&d to be done wrt control and shape of the boards. On moths and kites, it works quite nicely because the foil control is mostly done by body movement, although the moth also has flaps.
    We'll probably see in the AC how well the next generation performs in light wind, especially wrt foiling tacks
     
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    ...and wrt DSS-type foils. Although they might become a thing on offshore boats, I am a bit skeptical about the safety aspect of them on a tight course with a lot of boats.
     
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    ...and lastly "the future of sailing". I feel like it's often more used as a marketing term by people who're heavily invested in whatever the new cool thing happens to be. Foiling will be part of the future, that is for sure, but there will still be people, who don't care about speed, enjoying their folkboats, dragons etc
     
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    The full flying version of DSS foils can be 100% retracted and the boat can still sail well. These kinds of foils don't develop the lateral resistance for the boat like most other hydrofoils do-they develop vertical lift(and RM only).
     
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    You wouldn't want to retract your foils in a race, if it slows you down, even a little. Maybe we'll just have to wait for the next quant23 one design race to see how it works.
     
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    No, you don't have to wait-this is how it works:

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    No, Doug, it is your comment that is bizarre. The number of injuries caused by foilers is vastly higher than conventional craft when compared to the number of people sailing them.
     
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    I seriously doubt it. But most of the foilers currently sailing are boats designed for speed and for racing. Some newer foilers are not designed for top end speed, or for flying high and are therefore much safer than some earlier designs.
    But at any rate , I'd be interested in seeing factual evidence for your claim which I'd bet is not correct.
     
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    or, Doug, you could prove otherwise...

    The Laser was killed off when it became an Olympic class. Pre 1996 the UK National Championship fleet was over 200, now its under 30. The Radial have taken over and are now the bigger fleet. So would you want that to happen to the Wayfarer?

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    Wow, very interesting. But what does that have to do with foilers in the Texel, foiler "casualties", a foiling future, light air foiling or anything discussed in this thread? Just curious.
     
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    Could be due to increased professionalism in the fleet, which led to less interest among the amateurs and eventually also among the top sailor, who would sail internationally anyway most of the year
     
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    Doug see post 14-15

    RW
     
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    Thanks- I missed those.
     
  14. CT249
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    The fact that the foilers beat lots of smaller, older and cheaper boats is not news.

    When a Libera was beaten by a Quant, you mentioned it and you didn't praise the Libera for finishing second. When CBTF boats beat bigger boats, you mentioned it and you didn't praise the bigger boats for coming in second.

    It is illogical to complain when people mention the winner and the boats they beat without praising the beaten boats, since you do the same thing.
     

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    I don't give a hoot about foiling cats generally speaking. I'm much more interested in foiling monohulls and foiling trimarans. That being said, I think David Cooper made a good point in post 14. You make way too much of the comments on "foiling is the future"-to the point of just nonsense. You attempt to ascribe values to everyone associated with those that made the comment(s) that are just plain ridiculous. Give it up........
     
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