Amateur wants to build Blue water multi hull cruiser

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by nickvonw, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. apex1

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    There Alan, we have one thing in common!:D
     
  2. Alan M.
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    Alan M. Senior Member

    I'm not calling you a liar. Just ignorant. A 44C recently launched has been insured for over $500,000.00. It cost less than half that, including a hybrid drive system.

    Another was destroyed in the storm at Abel point, which wrecked around 60 boats. The insurance payout was about 3 times what the boat had cost to build.

    My boat has cost me less than $150,000 so far, including almost all the materials needed to finish the boat and build the rig.

    A broker looked at my boat recently and estimated it could sell for around $450,000, more in a better economic climate

    If you think you could buy something similar for $200.000, then you're the one dreaming.

    There have been tens of Snell Easys which have sold for more than double what the materials cost.

    Just because YOU can't do something, doesn't mean others can't.
     
  3. Alan M.
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    Actually, since you've edited your post, I retract my last statement. It was wrong. You ARE a liar.

    Where did I say SEVERAL hundreds of thousands of dollars more?

    And you ASSUME wrong. The boat will cost well under $200k complete, and will be worth over double that.
     
  4. DaveJ
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    Alan, your taking his busniess away from him, if the average john doe found out how easy it is to build a kit boat, and lets face it, its not rocket science, alot more people would be building there own, which means boat builders lose cleintal.

    I accually think that a home builder is going to be more particular in the qualitiy of the build, because it is their boat they are building and want it to be the best. All the engineering is done by the designer so it is simply glue the peices together how the plans state and the boat will be correct. If there are questions you contact the designer, they all are too happy to help.

    Oh, btw love your boat, looks great, if you ever need some one to help crew it for you, give me a tingle. I'm looking at building a Cosmos 1100 from schionning.
     
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    But i do have to point out, just because a boat is valued at a price, doesn't mean it will sell for that price.
     
  6. Chris Ostlind

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    And equally so, devoid of a sense of humor, it would seem. Come-on, Richard, drop the angry German thing and just be a regular guy... please.
     
  7. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    apex1 has lost the way...

    Big applause! [​IMG]

    Of someone who builds this by himself in his backyard can be said ‘‘Fortior est qui se quam qui fortissima vincit Moenia.’’ = ‘‘he who conquers himself is stronger than he who conquers a fortified city.’’

    For your info Richard, A $ 150.000 = € 93.007
    Your are making a big FOOL [​IMG] out of yourself if you say you can buy a similar mass product for that price! :D

    [​IMG] Angélique [​IMG]
     
  8. Alan M.
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    44 feet is less than half of 50 feet? Is this the "New Math"?
     
  9. Alan M.
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    That's very true, but insurers are not usually in the business of dramatically overvalueing boats. It's simply not in their interests to do so.

    The real point is, you CAN build yourself a boat for less money than you can buy one for. That should be obvious - proffessional boat builders pay wages, usually have much higher overheads AND make a profit.
     
  10. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    ½ size

    Thread opener asked for 50-60 ft (large spread). In volume 44 ft can be less than half the size of 50-60 ft. If it is less than half the size depends on what size Nick eventually wants to build.

    Regards, Angélique
     
  11. Chris Ostlind

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    Noting, of course, that it's an apples to oranges comparison. Start to factor in your time at a respectable wage, the cost of the tools used, broken and lost, the overhead for the space to build AND the potential wear and tear on the family unit... and oh, baby, is there ever wear and tear. Just ask around and see how many folks got themselves divorced as a result of taking on a huge boatbuilding project that took longer than they ever expected ... and it's not such big difference.

    Remarkably nice, used boats are all over the place and are enormously cheaper and they get you on the water faster.

    The only real reason to build your own boat is because you really, really want to. You want the adventure, you want the place in time when you can call it your own effort, etc. These are all highly subjective reasons and are not measurable in a production boat sense.

    Hey, I sell plans myself and I'm all for a guy giving it a go in the grandest sense possible.

    Best of luck you guys as you push on down the path. I sure hope that you post progress photos on these pages, or set-up your own build blog.
     
  12. Alan M.
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    That's the entire point. You DON'T pay yourself wages.

    For a one-off home builder, tools can be very low cost. I didn't buy good quality tools. I bought cheap Chinese crap with good warranties. Two of most things.

    When one broke down I'd take another out of it's box and carry on working. When I had the time I'd take the broken down one back to the shop for a free replacement under warranty.

    I did all my spraying with about $300 worth of air compressors. All the sanding with about $250 worth of sanders.

    If you really want to you can spend a fortune on building your own boat, but it's not neccessary.
     
  13. nickvonw
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    settle down fellas..

    but good to see some passion...do any of you play rugby????

    alan you cat looks awesome....well done there is nothing the same as building something youself.. what does that kit cost??? what does it include???

    on resale, to be honest i am looking to build this boat as somehting i can use and enjoy as opposed to sell on for a minimal lose...

    as for a cheap solid used 50 foot cat what am i looking at???? i have looke don the net and am having trouble finding anything super cheap??? are these boats in OZ????

    anyway got a few waves in the the seychelles today so im pretty stoked on that...maybe ill bring my own boat here one day
    nick
     
  14. nickvonw
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    i guess that is it...

    if you want to build something urself, and go thru the process and the challenge..building it urself would be a waste of time..and ud probably never finish it either

    but if the challenge is attractive then its excting to here from others who have done it themselves

    i wonder what they said to Hilary as he set off to scale everest???

    and alan yes crap chinses tools do have there place in society.....god bless GMC
     

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    Fanie Fanie

    Hi Alan,

    How come you're so stingy with pictures of your boat ?

    He he... Do we donate blood ???? No man, we build boats :D
     
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