Alternative to marvelous Buccaneer 24

Regarding the "Marvelous Buccaneer 24", I have only one set of plans left. When they are gone there will be no more.
PM me if interested.

 

G'day Gaza - just a quick question here. Would/could we discuss - in exact detail - all the weights, lengths, sections - etc etc in great detail. It's all to easy to get lost if we aren't very precise. IMHO . Only place that I know of that there is a pic of Mystery's wing is in a book published in Aussie - way back when - darned if I can find it - - SO - like a good older crazy sailor I went looking into the THE definitive book of - smart sailing - that I have in my saved instant items (favorites) on my computer. Now this book is the BEST ref-library I've ever come across in my few years of sailing (ha ha 60 +) - you might have heard of it - - "Light Brigade New Zealand - School of Yacht Design - July 2006 - - some dude that I can't remember his name - but think it was Gary Baigent - or something. GEEZE mate - what a book - you should read it sometime, eh????? - - if someone else gets it??

Gaza - The unique thing about "the wing" is that it automatically adapted to whatever wind strength was blowing - at the time, ie - constantly varring foil section - on call. There's much to that story & I'm sure people in this place aren't really interested in an old guy, old technology, old wing section & old construction whether it worked or not. Which it did. Everyone is far to busy trying to - invent a new wheel - to see that it's already been done. IMHO

Guys like 'Timw' (Timberwolf) & many others in K1-land (crews.org.nz) are way to smart for me & don't take the time to listen in any case. They just want to tell you how much thet know & how smart they are.

Thanks for your info - so far - I've enjoyed it a lot. Ciao, james aka Silver Raven

PS - Hey guys - how do I get the 'Smiles' to work. We need a great-big ha-ha smile like the one in MH4US forums. It lightens up everyones dose of - to serious self importance, IMHO Ciao, jj

 

You mean like this. :?:

 

James, what in Fargo truck are you talking about? Of course people here are interested in Mystery's rig. It's the sort of stuff Doug lives and breaths for, me too, and many others. And ignore, take absolutely no notice of owners of green tris.
Anyway, about that obscure publication ... never heard of it, sounds kiwi seditious. However you might be interested in the Jim Young book that is coming out ... sometime soon, has all that old Auckland stuff you will love. Here's the cover.
Also the wing, plus bearing - which will be fitted once sanding is finished. No one builds boats, they just sand them into being.
About rigorous detail and weights - will try me best.

 

Hi Gary
When where and how does one obtain the book looks like it will be a great one.
Cheers

 

The book will be finally finished in about a weeks time, outside the box, but when it will be published is another question. If Jim okays it, maybe a pdf version could be downloaded here, as you can also do with Light Brigade.
Here's a couple of shots from one of the multihull sections of the big Rudy Choy cat Jim's yard built and launched at Takapuna beach. Such a thing would be impossible today at that prized beach, truck, trailer and huge cat driven onto the sand, bulldozer and deep trench dug for the truck to drive into, lower the cat, then depart, while the crowd waited for the incoming tide for the boat launch.

 

I'm far to old & way to busy to know what all that ment. Want to say something - then say it - Please, Ciao, james

 

G'day mate - Sir - I'll try maybe from the beginning - so 'wing-it' so to speak, (if y'all can't get over my severe dyslexia then - stiff s*i*).

Take a Lokei Crowther B class cat, put folding beams on it, fit it on a trailer, put 'wing down the center, now you have a start.

Get a truck bearing, put concave section on the center of the folding beam hinge area, - put the convex part fo the bearing onto/into the end of a 3mm thick by 5" dia alloy irrigation tube - extended to & flattened - up the top to make a center spar of 39' 6" high. then at 14" centers attach very light aloy rite-angle - pop rivited sections to hold on the vastly cut-away profile sections made of 1/8" ply. These sections were - - for the bottom to almost 20' almost the same but got slightly shorter - fore & aft by 4" long & slimmer by 1" - - - up to 20' - then tapered up to the top which was 22" to 25" - - fore to aft by 3" to 4" thick. but not the same % back form the leading edge. (see below)
Approximate measurements only - it's a few year back now. Oopps memory is fading & can't be all that important to be all that exact - at this point in time.

All section shapes were much - cut away & only the very minimal was left to create the shape (but it worked for over 8 years without any failures) c/w a 'frenched-in sail trach in the back of the foil

The leading edge shape - some 14" thick - 18" back from the leading edge was covered with very very very thin mylar - back to 24" from the center front of the foil. Then - then then??? Sail cloth streched over etc etc bla bla bla, crap. All that was back in the late 60's so everyone thinks it's like the square wheel IMHO. Ha ha & then some.

Can't believe anyone is still interested. If someone is - then just ask for the rest of the story - Bloody boring - I would have thought. However we did get some interesting things to happen - - like sailing for 15 ks with one hull in the water & the wing mast/&/Sail parallel to the water @ 15 kts without ditching it & under full control for the whole of the time - just like you would fly a air-craft wing - & timed by the water-police in Sydney at that time. Also got the wing to self feather to the current wind speed without any people involvement - whcih always happens 3 wind shifts to late.

More info if required, just ask - still think it's very old-hat - these days - but I'll sure be putting it up on my 39' tri when I own it - hopefully within a month or so. - Tri being - 39'+, 31'6" wide, 1750 kgs all-up sailing weight (3 people for 8 days c/w motor, fuel, water, food & 'sundowners' (25 kgs liquid) , wing mast - 65' off the deck, 3 front-sails, etc etc bla bla bla.

Ciao all & have a great festive season. Sure hope my kids in Canada do - even though they don't talk to their dad. **** happens eh? @!!! Ciao, james

 

James, no offense but I can take more of this! Especially lightened up with some pictures or sketches.

Cheers,

Hielan

 

Thank you Gary
Much appreciated.
Cheers

 

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I'm interested in every detail, James! Don't stop now-and thanks!

 

Way off topic but interesting; a quote from the Jim Young book regarding the rudder sizes (so small in the photographs) of the 18 metre Choy cat that he built, then sailed to Noumea, with Rudy aboard:

"We built a large catamaran designed by Rudy Choy, and the reason I got the job was the French owner, Jean Mouralt had tentatively ordered this boat, hadn’t paid any money but we more or less had an order to build it. This was when New Zealand Yachts went down the drain and took me with it, but as a carry over from that failure, I was able to set up again and this Frenchman came along and wanted me to build this big cat for him - which was very good of him to do so because he could have had it built by anybody
else. Maybe because I had had a lot to do with catamarans I suppose, anyhow, we built the catamaran out of sheet plywood, almost flat outside hulls and a half a U shape on the inside, asymmetrical hulls in cross section. A couple of things I discovered about that boat was that she had two rudders but they were no deeper than the boat; the reason being that when the boat sat on the ground, the rudders were still free to move; there was no weight on them - but when sailing, by the time water passed along the hulls and reached the sterns, there had been created an eddy layer over the hulls length of 60 feet !8 m) which meant that they had to turn 20 degrees before they began to touch non-eddied water. On an aircraft that sort of thing would lead to stalling and a crash, likening the situation to the early days when knowledge of aerodynamics was not large, where the tail-plane would get caught in turbulence set off from the wing causing the pilot to lose control. And so this Choy cat was very difficult to steer because she also had the same depth fo’ard as aft - and any boat that draws the same amount of water fo’ard as aft, always wants to steer by the nose. So the cat kept swinging this way and that way, so bad that you’d put helm on to bring her back on course, and eventually you got used to this so as soon as she started to turn back, you’d put the helm on the opposite way; but there was no way you could keep up and therefore the wake behind was never straight. For some reason the autopilot could make the boat steer a straight course because it would pickup the slightest movement off course much earlier and correct it before the wandering sequence began. But hand steering a straight course was near impossible."

 

Were those rudders any different from the usual Choy spades? Most of those boats had a reputation for easy steering and tracking straight, especially in waves.

 

Have been concentrating on getting Groucho ready for first summer Gulf cruise (weather has been crap up until the last week, when it suddenly improved) and haven't done much on Sid. aside from finishing the double nearing and attaching it to the wing. I shifted Sid round from the secluded cove to beside Groucho because drunk/stoned kids were graffiti-ing it and also throwing stones from the park cliff top, two holes in deck, which as you know is very thin with some carbon. Anyway here's a couple of recent shots.

 

g'day Gary -
What you need over there is - a parent with a size 12 - steel-cap country boot - just like the ones I put-on every morning.

Thank Gawd you're a K1W1 - so I can make this a bit light- - headed?, ha ha. The boat's to old - so it's not current & I couldnt' fit it into me-pie. Hay!!! Now - please - either in here of PM me - 'The wing' Is a BLAST, for sure!! All those ?'s =- What it weigh? - how high is that section? - how thick - why is the leading edge so pointed - why is it so thin?, what are you going to skin it with? - Oh & a thousand other ?'s PLEASE

Does the ply weigh less than some very thin mylar? Now here's a hidden 1: does the bottom mast-foil base template move up-ward when the wind gets stronger? What was that? Who said that. D.Lord you paying attention??

OH by the way - THE boat is a blast also. Would love to take it out in 15 to 20 kts. - 2-up & see - just where it can go at the top end.

Y'all have a great time, eh!! Ciao, james