Actual Design Question

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by CatBuilder, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. cthippo
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    cthippo Senior Member

    Actually, I forgot all about the centerboard :D

    Let me ask you about that, though. Does it need to be readily accessible or does it just need to be there? If it's the latter, could it be built into the front of the cabinetry?
     
  2. CatBuilder

    CatBuilder Previous Member

    Ha ha ha... :)

    It's accessed on deck in the cockpit via control lines. It basically goes, like a knife, through the deck, through the hull and right out the bottom. The dagger board case is basically a box it slides up and down in.
     
  3. waikikin
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    CB',
    Most daggerboard cats push the cases outboard off the C/L & cant a bit out at the top also to keep the "passageway" clear thru the hulls, ask Kurt if thats cool for yours- may "open up" your options in that area. Regards from Jeff.
     
  4. philSweet
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    If the board is 3" thick and you allow 1.25" air gap for flex and use a 5/8" layup- thats 6-3/4 for the case. The only arrangement I could work out was to put the oven inboard of the case with microwave over, sinks outboard of the case, fridge inboard next to aft stairs, and counter and cupboards outboard running aft to bulhead. Pantry is foward of the case outboard and must be acessed by going all the way arround via the bridge deck. A cross-section would be helpful. Hard to guess what the headroom looks like inboard of the case.
     
  5. cthippo
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    OK, Idea #3...

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    Now that I finally understand what's going on with the centerboard well, I can design around it. The narrow width is a headache, but I think this design still allows two people to work in the galley (What you thought you just had to drive the boat? :p )
     

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    OK, sort of a question here, but could something like this work...

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    The difference is that the prep space in the hull extends a little ways into the center section with a false bulkhead, something like this...


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  7. CatBuilder

    CatBuilder Previous Member

    Great ideas, Cthippo!

    Yes, the prep space could (and should) extend into the hull like you are drawing. In fact, it has to since the counter height you show in that diagram would be about 5-6ft tall. The bridgedeck (thankfully) is quite a bit higher than your assumption. :)



    I think your general idea is exactly the way to go.

    I especially think putting the fridge and/or some prep space behind the board is good. I can imagine if I were doing dishes and were putting them on the drying rack, it would be fine or that to be behind the board since it's an "off to the side" type of action anyway.


    Here is a diagram (very crude... freehand PhotoShop) of the true scale:

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  8. keysdisease
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    maybe reverse cabins

    I see that you would like the guest cabin to be the aft cabin, but what if you reversed that. You could tuck the head in behind the daggerboard trunk like the other hull and have more useable room to dedicate to the galley aft.

    ? :confused: Steve
     
  9. cthippo
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    OK, question here...

    If the sole is 3' wide and the daggerboard well is centered, how are you going to be able to walk around the daggerboard? That leaves about 15" of walkway space on each side of the box?

    Also, what is the hull sole to bridgedeck sole distance?
     
  10. CatBuilder

    CatBuilder Previous Member

    Interesting...

    So do you mean to have the crew stateroom where it is in the bow, then the guest stateroom, then the entire aft as the galley? I could be thinking of that incorrectly, but wouldn't that require at least 2 staircases, of not 3?

    If you are talking instead about just switching the existing staterooms and having the crew stateroom aft, I have to say:

    No way, no how. Ever slept below the main dining and entertaining area on a charter boat? The odds are 50/50 I'd get convicted of murder eventually, with that setup.
     
  11. CatBuilder

    CatBuilder Previous Member

    My dimensions might be too approximate at this point... I will have to check on the exact dimensions and get back to you. I'm a bit confused at that one myself.
     
  12. cthippo
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    cthippo Senior Member

    Might make sense to table this discussion until you get the first hull put together and get some actual measurements. Hows it coming, BTW? We only hear from you when something gets screwed up :p
     
  13. philSweet
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    Figure the case is about 7" wide. Here's what I managed. Not much storage for pots and pans. They would have to go under the oven.
     

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  14. bntii
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    Cat- I put together this model when I was testing some layouts:

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    cat3.jpg

    If you wish i can zip the file over and you can use it to test some scaled interiors of this compartment.

    Everything is to scale as per your dimensions
    The trunk is centered though as far as I can tell it is slightly inboard of center on your plans...
    Trunk is draw at 4.5" which is probably too thin. Check to see if it is going to be plumb as this could effect how usable the space is adjacent to the trunk.

    As mentioned- a few iterations of interior mocked up in cardboard will tell the tale once you have the hull built..
     

  15. CatBuilder

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    CThippo: ha ha ha... I know. I tend to come on to learn rather than to show progress. The short story is I have half a hull over in the corner and a new half all foamed in. I'm getting ready to glass in this new half this week. Then, I'll cut some bulkheads, join the two halves and put a complete port hull into place.

    Phil: Thanks for that drawing. The appliances seem to be accurate sizes. Couple questions - what are all the circles outboard? Also, what is forward of the dagger board trunk?

    Bntii: Wow! You did a good job there. That looks like the real hull in a lot of ways. I am surprised how well you were able to reproduce the shape of the hull from just the few diagrams and vague descriptions here. Very nice... very nice indeed.

    Now in these drawings, I think is the answer to CThippo's question about room to pass on either side of the dagger board. You may not have a lot of room where your feet are, but you have a whole lot where your shoulders are.
     
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