A cape Horn vessel

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by evantica, Apr 16, 2010.

  1. evantica
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    evantica Senior Member

    ok... will have to comment. first of all to to "apex1" get out of my tread and start a new wanking tread if you like, you 're just a wasit of time!

    To the rest of I'm glad to hear some good stuff. And I never tought I build a C. Archer just a kind of look alike. And now the reason why, and the most important thing. I have a dream to sail the world, and at one time I will/want sail around the Cape Horn. And yes I will surley go with the trade. and -hold on tight- "I'm doing what I can, with what I have"!!! If I was a millionaire this conversation would't take place! You (as I think) Could be more helpfull, instead of acting mr. "know it all" I will not say all of you!!! some of you I learnt some (Thanks!) (I see what comming!)And reallity are...bla...bla I have good faith in my boatdesigner= he's know what he's doing and he's been in place and messure and so on. He don't lie! and a friend of mine! so see yaa around the horn, hoppfully some day...fair winds (to some of you)
     
  2. evantica
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    evantica Senior Member

    can not help it... HAve you all heard of Tristan jones, Joshua slocum, Kurt Bjorklund, Yve's gallinas, Olle Landsell (6 meter Havsidra) and the list can go on... With that kind of philosophi they would never went sailing, that's why "WE" are differnt from the most of you!
     
  3. apex1

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    You should become a bit more civilized in your behaviour!

    If you cannot stand constructive critics or even just negative response, do´nt ask such questions!


    You do´nt look for experts opinions or advice, you are out for getting your biased thoughts confirmed!

    The "design" you have shown ist at least worth some doubts, and looks very much like a novices first try with Rhino!
    Why do´nt you provide some hard data, when there really a pro is involved?

    Different from your experience, I went round there. And I claim to have at least some ideas how I would cope with such task after three circumnavigations and some over 200.000 miles at sea.

    Enjoy your day
    Richard
     
  4. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    Evantica: you are prejudging everyone who doesn't agree with you as having no sailing experience on inadequate boats. I have pushed several boats to near destruction. However, if you are building a new boat, to make it inadequate, slow and poor handling is simply stupid.
     
  5. LyndonJ
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  6. Brent Swain
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    Give yourself inside steering , such as saved the life of Moitessier .
    The southern ocean is no place to be in an open cockpit. Inside steering using a trim tab on the trailing edge of the rudder, as show in my book, works well, and is extremely simple.
     
  7. dreamer
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    dreamer Soñadora

    sorry I'm late to the girl slap fight.

    Here's a nice picture - Dobroson 50 Rounding Cape Horn

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    ok, you may continue with the hair pulling and scratching.
     
  8. LyndonJ
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    LyndonJ Senior Member

    Second life virtual world event :) Great rendering

    But have you ever seen a boat any boat and particularly a cruiser without 2/3 of that deck space covered in all the miscellania of cruising life ? So many renderings look like ghost ships.
     
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  9. dskira

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    Very good point.
    Daniel
     
  10. dskira

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    As for trying to sell your book, you do a good job.
    As for the adding complexity of a trim tab, not so good job.
    When you go on long range cruising one motto: If it don't exist, it can't brake.
    Simplicity and minimalism, is an art, the rest is just facility.
    Daniel
     
  11. dreamer
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    dreamer Soñadora

    Knowing this particular client, I'm pretty certain if he were taking on a rounding of Cape Horn, all that extra CODB (crap on de back) would be carefully stowed below. In fact, what's actually missing from the rendering would be a full cover on the aft helm.

    Other than that, the deck would most likely be as shown.

    But otherwise you are correct. I would go so far as to say even actual pictures of the final build shown in glossy ad brochures don't show what a real 'cruiser' looks like. Look at the Island Piglet pictures. Some guy in a cardigan and white pants - no life jacket - steering away with one hand on the wheel.

    I would NEVER wear that when I'm sailing. ;)
     
  12. peter radclyffe
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    peter radclyffe Senior Member

    C O D B, ,i love it, seaworthiness, the forgotten factor, C O D B,
     
  13. Brent Swain
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    So what would you use that's simpler than a trim tab for self steering, or inside steering? Servo pendulum? Simpler" Electronic autopilot? Simpler?Cable steering? Ya right! Go take your medication!
    There is nothing simpler, nor more robust than a trim tab, supported by three gudgeons and pintles, on the back of a rudder. Properly done, it will never break. Not so with the other alternatives.
    Or are you suggesting that going without any self steering and a ******* helmsman in an open cockpit, is less likely to fail, ( after may hours of exposure in an open cockpit.)
    Ya, Sure! Go take your medication!
     
  14. LyndonJ
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    At the very least experienced hands would always have a line or two coiled ready to be thrown, serious safety gear like a danbouy, lifesling. A liferaft. A dinghy most likely, all the things you would have within reach for emergencies, collisions sinkings.


    As to autopilots
    I think some of the electronic autopilots are getting pretty good now they are simple robust and very reliable, for a sailboat they're as good as an extra crewman most of the time, delayed auto tacking for example has to be tried to be appreciated.

    I think trim tabs seem to be pretty reliable on metal rudders but add complexity on wooden or grp construction.

    Should I take medication too Brent? :) :)
     

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    dreamer Soñadora

    yes...here's your medication:

    [​IMG]

    ;)
     
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