a better tiki 21

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by guzzis3, May 7, 2019.

  1. Angélique
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  2. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Saw a set of unused plans for an Hitia 14 (pics) or Hitia 17 (pics) offered for free on the Dutch CTC (Catamaran and Trimaran Club) website.

    — ad translation —

    ‘‘ When cleaning up for the move we found the building plans (packed and never used) of a Hitia catamaran, build no. 25.

    Free pick up in Amsterdam until 28 September 2018, or in Laren Gld after 28 September 2018. ’’


    The ad doesn't tell if it's about an Hitia 14 or an 17.

    There's a contact info button near the left bottom corner of the ad, the shown phone number is a cell phone, replace the first "0" by "+31" or "0031" when calling from outside the Netherlands, note the time difference. There's also an e-mail address shown. English would be OK for communication I think.

    Don't know if those free Hitia plans are still available, if so then maybe the friendly offerer would agree on sending them if the applicant wants to pay for the shipping costs in advance . . ?

    P.S. - there's an update in post #69
     
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  3. waterbear
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    Pretty sure the Hitia is not what the OP was thinking when he said "a better tiki 21" :D
     
  4. Angélique
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    I'm aware of that, just wanted to share the opportunity for anyone to get a set of free Wharram plans, if only to study them for a Wharram interested party who hasn't seen an actual set of plans in the flesh yet, it wasn't specifically directed to the OP, it was just to pass on the offer to any interested party who happens to sail along this a bit related thread.
     
  5. Angélique
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    After all on the Wharram scale an Hitia 17 is just one (very large) step smaller than the Tiki 21, and "better" is an kinda subjective term . . ;)
     
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    I'm not sure about Brisbane, where Guzzis3 is from, but here in America smaller is most definitely not better ;)
     
  7. waterbear
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    Ok, there, I fixed it. More freeboard, more sail area, and a private head with standing headroom!

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Angélique
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    Some disagree, nowadays you can buy an F-150 V6, and even an Silverado I4 . . ;)
    (Oops, thread drift . . :eek:)
    BTW, love the outhouse dinghy . . :)
     
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  9. guzzis3
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    waterbear hilarious!

    The hitia plan are gone.

    I was thinking last night how far this has drifted from my origional intention. My origional post was intended to simply ask if there was a catamaran designer I didn't know about doing wharram like boats but efficient. I assume there are multihull designers out there I don't know about. Looking at their ideas is always interesting.

    Also don't hold your breath waiting for me to do stuff like produce models or drawings. It looks like I've got at least one possibly two more cancers to deal with and it is going to be a bit tedious...
     
  10. Angélique
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    That's harder than a choice between cats, wish you strength Guzzis3 to overcome these battles...

     
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  11. BlueBell
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    BlueBell Ahhhhh...

    Guzzis3,

    I'm sorry to hear that.

    It's funny how often OP questions never really get answered...

    Having reread your OP and considering your last post, I would strongly suggest you buy a boat that is close to your desires.
    Enjoy it and if you don't entirely care for it, sell it and look for another.

    Godspeed.
     
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  12. guzzis3
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    Thank you for the kind words but I wasn't looking for sympathy or anything, it's just sometimes I struggle to get to things. On a good day the needs have to take priority, housework, cooking etc. Playing with boats in down the scale. I've had much worse health problems than a few cancers and have mostly not died yet :D

    BlueBell: I buy and sell boats all the time. I know what my dream boat is and I'll will have to build it as nothing on the market is right. I have tried too many times to compromise only to be disappointed... Obviously the tiki 21 is not my dream boat, but I think the idea is worth developing. As I ahve already said I am just a bit surprised no one else has tried.
     
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    There was a page up not that long ago of some “Polynesian” type catamaran’s perhaps not as small as the Tiki 21. Pelagic rings a bell or something like that, rough hand drawn sketches and lots of green, never paid it that much attention as it looked amateurish.
    Anybody ?
     
  14. guzzis3
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    I remember that. Wasn't exactly confidence inspiring, the designs were terrible. I thought someone said they inquired and in the end it was vapourwear. ?
     

  15. 23feet
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    Hi Guzzis3,

    I have the plans for my Tiki 21 and it is hard to imagine any way to make them simpler than they already are. I don't quite get your take on the plans as being terrible. I see a certain genius in making things as simple as they are, and yet everything works. The rig is a good example. I am currently making a new rig, and it is only costing me a few hundred dollars (plus my labor). On other designs, the rig costs as mush as the entire build costs for the boat (perhaps, that is one of the reasons why more Wharrams get finished: because of the simplicity of the rig). Even though the rig is so basic, it all works! You also said that the design for building is inefficient, but again I don't get it. The building sequence is an exercise in simplicity. I suggest you take a look at build blogs of the hull construction of the 21. However, the simplicity of the hull assembly does limit the form of the boat, such as the low free board which is implicit int he limitations of the construction design.

     
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