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  1. hoytedow
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    But it is always under the Department of the Navy during wartime, hence it is military.
    I dropped from CG Aux when Carter was the de-press-ident.
     
  2. Ike
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    AAADD: Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder
     
  3. DCockey
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    The Coast Guard only falls under the navy with a declaration of war or executive order. It was last under the navy in 1946. But it is considered a military service though it has some police powers over civilians within the US which the other branches of the military do not have in general. Hence the carrying of Coast Guard personal on Navy ships to board suspected drug smugglers.

    Interestingly the USCG as such has only existed since 1915:
    "28 January 1915: President Woodrow Wilson signed into law the "Act to Create the Coast Guard," an act passed by Congress on 20 January, 1915 that combined the Life-Saving Service and Revenue Cutter Service to form the Coast Guard (38 Stat. L., 800)."
    The Lighthouse Service was merged into the Coast Guard in 1939. Marine inspection responsibility was transfered to the CG in 1942 and made permanent in 1946.

    Considerable information about USCG history at http://www.uscg.mil/history/h_index.asp
     
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    As i said the devil is in the details, and you will have to research things out for yourself to truely see the agenda behind certain policy and executive decisions that may have an adverse effect upon your own interests, or may be part of a much larger plan that could further compromise our nation to a corrupt globalist agenda...

    http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2010/10/president-obama-signs-coast-guard-authorization-act-of-2010/

    P.S. i am amazed that even the blatently obvious or detrimental details or "changes" contained in the C.G. authorization have not outraged all C.G. personel !!!, especially considering one small detail that was never openly mentioned is that the bill has eliminated several previous legal protections from lawsuits for individual C.G. members. Did any service members of the C.G. even read the bill ???.
     
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    Perhaps the lack of "outrage"by USCG members is because you, or those you listen to, have misunderstood the authorization act. Did you read all 128 pages yourself? Anyone interested can read it at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3619enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3619enr.pdf

    Is this the act which changed the inspection requirements for fishing vessels? If so is that behind some of the unhappiness?
     
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    Here's the Re-authorization Act http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ281/pdf/PLAW-111publ281.pdf

    I have read through the entire thing and see nothing in particular that alarms me. But enlighten me. What ammendments or chnages? These reauthorization acts are an annual bill to provide the Coast Guard with funds and to make any necessary changes to current laws that affect the operation of the Coast Guard. Most of what is in the act was proposed by the Coast Guard itself.

    Actually many of the things in there had been the subject of discussion throughout the Coast Guard for some time.

    As for the term Realignment, that is just a $25 word for reorganization, which seems to occur as a matter of course every time a new commandant comes on board, or there is change in administration. Nothing really new. Frankly when the USCG went to the Directorate system in stead of "Offices" we had gone full circle from where it was in the 60's. It really doesn't mean much. The work goes on, and people go about their business pretty much the same way, they may just have to report to someone different, or have a differnet chain of command.
     
  7. lobsterman
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    First i want to apologize, for this thread taking such a percipitous decline into a political or policy discussion, that was never my intention....

    Perhaps that was the wrong link that i had posted , but regardless.... The U.S. government has far far overstepped its constitutionally limited authority. So much so that we are no longer truly a free people, or a sovereign nation. Also it is not only the U.S. government that is using these illegal or unconstitutional laws against their own citizens. All around the globe, governments are using enviromentalism, and phony science as a means and excuse to violate all peoples Natural and Human Rights.

    Do you deny the fact that the government and the vast field of politicians are now greatly exceeding, and far overstepping their limited authority ???. Do you deny the fact that the U.N. the governments, the world bank, and the multi-national corporations around the world are now undermining, usurping, restricting, and violating everyone's Natural Rights ???. Do you deny the fact that governments are being used to protect the corporate monopoly's interests ???.

    We are all being lead down a path of global self destruction. It is all part of a U.N. directed, "Corporate controled" (money controls everything), anti-humanistic agenda, that's ultimate goal is vast reductions of the global populations. What it equates to is population control, and murder thru attrition and starvation. Sustainability means absolutely nothing when they have taken away all of your Natural Rights and access to all forms of life sustaining Natural Resources that you, your family, your community, and your nation need to survive.

    It all boils down to money, power, greed, and the ultimate control over all forms of valuable and life sustaining Natural Resources. The U.N. the governments, and the corporations are creating monopolies over life itself !!!.

    Also as a bit of a sidenote..... No we are Not running out of any resources !!!. there is not one natural resource on the planet that could even be remotely considered to be running out !!!. Even oil and gas are self replenishing resources, and are a never ending byproduct of ongoing geological processes.

    P.S. .... All Natural Rights, and Natural Resource Rights belong to All of the People !!!. Natural Rights, and Sustenance Rights are for All Human Beings !!!. They are Not to be used as a negotiating tool for the U.N., the banks, the corporations, or the governments !!!. They are each guilty of creating, and protecting private multi-national, corporate monopoly interest's, at the expense of All of the worlds populations. Control over your very life and existence has become a politically traded commodity !!!.
     
  8. michael pierzga
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    Gee lobsterman, seen any Atlantic salmon ? and about those codfish.............
     
  9. lobsterman
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    Yes, the Atlantic ocean is absolutely teeming with cod and salmon !!!, but when you drastically reduce the numbers of fishermen, and the few fishermen that remain are face with a multidude of further restrictions, closed seasons and areas, gear restrictions and reductions, catch limitations, increased the fish size limits, days at sea reductions, as well as a hundred other regulations, restrictions, and limitations placed upon the fishermen, The landings and catches are obviously going to go down !!!. But when the government and the corrupt scientists, along with a complicit media use propaganda campaigns, about reduced landings or catch figures without expressing the fact that it was their multitude of regulatory restrictions that have actually been what reduced the catch rates or landings in the first place, We have a government that is using corruption, deceipt and misrepresentation against it's own citizens, in an effort to pursue an alterior agenda !!!.
    Treason against the American people, done in the name of protecting the enviroment, or to protect certain corporate interests is still treason !!!.

    Now before you go thinking that these are just the rantings of a disgruntled fisherman about regulations, and that none of this will never have any bearing on your own life or existance, let me give you an example of how this same type of crooked system of phoney science, over-regulation, and resource restrictions or eliminations will effect you personally....
    (Remember that this is just one example).... Smart meters are going to be used against you !!!. They are going to establish a baseline of electrical usage per household. Then they will start mandating drastic reductions of eaach home's allowable energy useage, and those reductions will continue each year, all while your energy prices and costs will skyrocket, more regulations and qualifying criteria will be imposed, and additional taxes and fees will be added to your energy bills.

    What we are all facing in the very near future is very similar to the corrupt methods that the government used to steal away all of the traditional fishing rights from all of America's small boat commercial fishermen. Every few years they would keep doing 40%, 50% or 60% reductions of our days at sea, and catch limits. now there are many of us with 0 allowable days at sea, and 0 lbs of catch alloted to us.

    Unfortunately true happiness is not in the cards for much of the future generations of people. Honestly how happy do you think the worlds people are going to be, once they start to feel the effects of the murderous, anti-humanistic agenda of drastic resource restrictions, that is unfolding around them, and threatens every aspect of their very existance, and survival ???. Things are poised to get much much worse in the very near future !!!.

    Pehaps you do not understand the signifigance of the government usurping, undermining, and violating everyones god given Natural Rights !!!. One of the most important of those Natural Rights of the utmost importance to all people, is to have open access to all forms of life sustaining Natural Resources. Remember... Sustainability means absolutely nothing when the governments usurp your rights to survival and life itself, and take away your access to, or means of survival and sustinence.

    The government has literally stolen the food from my family's mouth, So YES... I am done playing by the rules in a game that is rigged and fixed against me, and my family's Natural, Civil, and Constitutional Rights, or our very survival.
     
  10. troy2000
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    Yep. I knew you were headed in that direction. The warning flags went up when you started mentioning 'agendas'.;)

    Now, explain to me why any anyone's agenda would include the sort of destruction you're talking about. To take and keep power, you need someone to have power over. If you want to be a despot, killing off massive amounts of your subjects would seem to be counterproductive -- because you can't produce wealth from the top down; it flows the other way. Wealth is ultimately built on the sweat and toil of those on the bottom.

    And I'm sorry, but I don't accept the proposition that the vast majority of scientists in the world are part of some evil conspiracy to lie about the environment, global warming, etc. When you venture into those waters, I start classifying you with the folks who tell me the theory of evolution is a demonic plot to destroy people's faith in God.

    Personally, I think you're just PO'd about government interference with your livelihood as a fisherman. And maybe you have a right to be. I hang out in a desert, and I haven't kept up with the subject that much. But to extrapolate that into some sort of global conspiracy is getting carried away.....

    And if we aren't running out of anything, tell me what happened to all the Colorado River squawfish -- otherwise known as white salmon or pikeminnows. My grandfather told me his dad used to haul in five-footers, and they were great eating. But I've never even seen one.
     
  11. lobsterman
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    Wake Up !!!. It is all about money, power, greed, and control !!!, and Natural Resources play a very big part of who gets all that money, power and control. Are you so blind that you cannot see that it is ultimately all part of a corrupt, corporate, and U.N. controlled, politically manipulated, anti-American, globalist, monopolistic, socialistic, communistic, anti-humanistic agenda, that is designed to steal away everyone's Rights, Freedoms, Liberty, Opportunity, and access to the valuable and life sustaining Natural Resources that we need to survive !!!. Is it just you don't like my teminology, or are you just upset because i exposed the truth about the idiot liberals who are pushing the socialist, globalist, anti-human, anti-American agenda ???.

    This is not some type of conspiracy stuff, please by all means look up agenda 21 on the U.N.'s own website, or research out how the ICLEI is usurping, and undermining the local authority and control over many communities across the USA.

    Also... FYI... manmade global warming or climate change has been repeatedly proven to be a Lie, or rather a global criminal deception. Many top scientists have already publicly admitted to it.

    One of the mantras of todays wanna be scientists is "to err on the side of the enviroment". The problem with that is " that to err at all, is not science at all !!!". In fact it completely detracts any credibility, and objectivity that true scientists are supposed to have. When you train and school science and enviromental majors to all think alike, you no longer have science, you have an agenda with alterior motives !!!. (also when you teach all political science majors that global government is some inevitable fate of the world and should be something to be strived for that is TREASON !!!, plain and simple !!!. )

    Manmade global warming, or climate change is about as believable as UFO's, Aliens, Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster. Especially when you consider the fact that 99.5% of the earth's surface is either Oceans, Ice Caps, uninhabited, desolate, undeveloped, inhospitable, non-industrialized, or very sparsely populated areas.

    Now as to the accusation that i am just a disgruntled fisherman.... That is definately not the case...
    If it was my own personal issue about fisheries regulations why would i bother to waste me time warning people that all Americans are having their natural rights to ALL forms of valuable and life sustaining natural resources taken away from them ???. The government is usurping all of the people's natural rights to sustinence. It includes the commercial and recreational fishing, hunting and trapping, commercial and private farming, mineral mining and even private propery water rights are being regulated away.

    This is all part of a bigger agenda, that uses the U.N. and governmental regulations to hand control over all resources to the biggest multi-national corporations. Thus the governments, the U.N., and the corporations are claiming ownership over life itself.

    Some simple, common sense, and fair laws for all, in any industry are one thing, But,.... "The over-regulation of any industry can have many unintended and dire consequences", and the over-regulation of many industries, can have absolutely catastrophic consequences for a nation. As we are all now seeing and feeling the effects of an over-regulated society !!!.

    You have tried to portray me as someone who is against the enviroment, yet i have received accolades and repeated grants from the National Fish and Wildlife foundation, The Maine Technology Institute, etc. for a patented invention of mine ...that actually works towards protecting the marine enviroment, and saves the lives of many marine mammals, and species of fish. It is a "fishing gear recovery device". (for retrieving lost traps, pots, nets, and trawls, otherwise known as ghost fishing gear).

    So it is time to put up, or shut up...
    In addition to the grants i have recieved, and research work that i have done, I have also spent thousands of man hours, and tens of thousands of dollars of my own money, working to protect the marine species and the marine enviroment. What have you done to protect the enviroment ???.

    I realize that it is hard for you to understand or realize how badly you have been conned, lied to, and manipulated over the years by the government, the schools, and the media, But coming from someone with obviously years more education and experience under his belt ~ you are but a pawn in the system, and you have been lied to by the government and the academia that does have a long term, corrupt agenda behind it. Perhaps if you were a bit older you might be able to comprehend what happens in a nation when they take away all of the peoples rights and access to all forms of necessary life sustaining natural resources. If you think the enviroment is bad now, just wait until all of the new enviromental laws actually create the starvation, death, disease, pestilence, civil unrest, violence, anarchy, and world wide war, Caused by the corporate/governmental monopolies usurping every humans natural rights to resources, sustinance, and survival.
     
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    Yeah, I guess I'm blind. I don't see any massive, global conspiracy that involves governments, academia, scientists, the UN, the media, and anyone else you can think of. There comes a point when sustaining such a conspiracy would require more conspirators than victims.
    Well, no. No one has proven any such thing. On one side you have well over 90% of scientists worldwide. On the other side you have a few over-the-hill, sellout scientists acting as paid shills for the petroleum industry, plus a relative handful of contrarians.
    Funny... I've never heard a true scientist say any such thing about erring, on one side or the other. Nor have I seen any indication that 'all political science majors' are being taught that global government is desirable, inevitable and something to be worked towards. Where are you even getting this stuff?

    First of all, the overwhelming majority of scientists completely disagree with you. And it isn't because they're bought off, less intelligent, less educated, and more gullible than you are. And if you don't believe something as small as humans can influence the world, compare the size of the flu virus to the size of the forty million people it killed in the 1918 outbreak.

    there you go with that 'agenda' crap again....
    Call me crazy and mixed up. but somehow I doubt that I'm as ignorant, stupid and manipulated as you think I am. Like Hamlet, "I am but mad north-north-west: when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw.":p
     
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    I am done, I pray that i am wrong, but i don't think i am, time will tell, I wish you all the best.
     
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    You too, all the best !
     

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    I love the part where Lobsterman tells me, "Perhaps if you were a bit older you might be able to comprehend what happens..."

    I'm 62 years old. Wonder how much older I have to get, before enlightenment strikes me?:p:p
     
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