80' trimaran for Route du Rhum to be skippered by Lionel Lemanchois

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  1. Blackburn
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    Learned a little more French today, so it hasn't been a complete waste...

    lol

    The 'Pate d'oie' in Corley's diagram above was perplexing re. translation.

    When I did a google image search on that it showed anatomical drawings of knees, and close-ups of wrinkles out from the eye.

    So now it just occurred to me to do a english to french translation of 'crows feet'.

    the translation? 'pattes d'oie'.

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    With a guy alone on a 80 feet trimaran in the middle of nowhere...
    How much does weight the sole pole for a 80 feet tri? Size and weight of the needed ropes a and pulleys.
    How do you lift the several tons waterbag? Winch? They are under water or on a vertical boat. Block pulleys are not enough.
    And for the pump how do you do for 5000 gallons to pump?

    Ya, with a lever you can lift a lot of things, including a dozens of tons monolith. On firm earth...

    You're wrong about the capsized stability. If capsized the tri has more initial stability than upright. the boat sits on the maximal volumes (decks) and all the weight of the hardware fixed on the deck (several hundreds kilos on a 80 feet) is now under the center of displacement and has become a ballast...Add the mast and sails and you have another ballast with an hydraulic brake.

    That's just a good thing to get killed stupidly instead of waiting quietly in a dry boat with food, water and radio. He complained only of the heat...

    I used also the waterbag system while training on my 18m2 (cat 18 by 10, mast from 23 to 28 feet) as it was almost impossible to right up alone by muscular strength, however the mast was buoyant enough to keep the cat from flipping totally. That helps greatly. The greatest danger is that cat "escapes" and leaves you alone after righting up...
    I used it also on a Tornado, but we were two. I guess that until 24 feet 750 kgs it's feasible by a lone man. After it's another matter.

    Don't you think if there was an effective mean for self righting a multi, it would not be already installed on all multis of the world?
     
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    Blackburn I can be of some help for French, after all I made all my studies in that difficult language (Spanish and English are far easier, but German and Russian are harder)...patte d'oie means wrinkle around the eyes (crows feet) but also when several roads join one main road on one point but not more than a half circle - a full circle crossing point is called a "rond-point"-, or several ropes (attached for example at the four corners of a box) are reunited at one point to a main rope in the purpose to lift the box in our example- but not more than 4 ropes, if more than four it's called an "éventail"-, as a geese have 3 fingers and some chicken varieties (like the silk bantam") have four fingers.
    Patte is a leg (including the foot) or the foot itself, so patte d'oie is a goose's leg with the three fingers foot. Pate (normally written pâté) is a culinary preparation for example with goose meat. But pâte is a dough made with flour and a liquid. Pat (pronounced exactly like patte) is the short name for Patrice (Patrick). When talking in French, the sound of "patte d'oie" (goose's leg) is exactly the same as "Pat doit" (Patrick owes -money-). And the the sound of "d'oie" and "doit" is the same as the word "doigt" (finger). French can be tricky.
     
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    Ilan sport, doing the math is necessary. A engine driven pump would speed things up and not take much room, the same engine could run a hydraulic winch etc....Are the poles needed? Kites weren't in use when Carlos was pondering .... I think many effective things have been passed over for various reasons, most of them non flattering.

    In no way do I disrespect this effort however. This sailor obviously cared about his boat and did an excellent job of salvaging as much as he could. with more imagination and development on the design end of things and some training everyone would be farther along and that is progress....
     
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    Very obviously, a tri or cat isn't very stable when inverted if the bows or sterns are flooded or one hull or ama as in this case....Obscuring this point doesn't benefit anybody.
     
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    A very disagreeable encounter

    A pretty unbelievable story which is surprising, and he prefers not to think about the outcome if he was still all alone on his capsized craft:

    "Two hours before sunrise a freighter flying the Russian flag approached my boat. He stopped about a quarter mile away. On board the tugboat we attempted to make contact with him on the VHF to find out his intentions but he did not respond.

    In my view, there is no question at all that this ship was a pirate. It remained there a long time observing, trying obviously to position itself between us and the Maxi 80.

    It ended up leaving, but I don't wish to think about how the situation would have unfolded if I had still been all alone in the area"
    said Lemonchois, who today is doubly relieved about the outcome of the capsize.

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    Here's most of the rest of that article today on the PdB site:

    There's more, (which I'll add a little later as I am now called elsewhere).
     
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    An inverted swan is indeed a sitting duck!
     
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    Apparently the tow is going well and they should be in Rio by Midday on Thursday.
     
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    And the boys are able to relax on deck all day, working on the tans that they need for the Copacabana...

    This is the most exquisitely timed capsize and rescue that's ever been. Again I give credit to Lionel's having blessed his boat, for this monumental good luck!

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    The next stage here should be that the Marketing Director for Prince de Bretagne checks out whether the boat is going to fit along the parade route for the Carnival for the weekend of February 28th:

    rio3.jpg

    Imagine the Maxi 80 with Lionel and dancers on board, the PdB sails with all the vegetables lit up, what a terrific float!

    Think the 'Lettuce Ladies': Everyone should be costumed according the vegetable theme. The loyal French farmers who supply PdB's produce should be flown in on a charter and accompany the float, of course dressed as princes:

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    From the latest tweets on the PdB site it appears that the tug and trimaran have arrived safely in Rio.
     
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    ^^^

    Here's an excerpt from their recent update today:

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    Oooo.. Ahhhh.. Here's a nice way to begin a Friday night!


    Righting the capsized Prince de Bretagne. It looks bigger upside down!

     
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