16ft surf launchable plywood boat

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  1. Paul D
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    Hello people im new to forum and joined to hopefully get some good advice...im close to finishing first plywood boat build which is a simple flat bottom punt which is for use on flat calm waters. ...but my next boat build has to be a surf launchable motor boat and im toying with the idea of a small pilot house(is not totally necessary though i thought alittle shelter would be handy)....the glen l design sherwood queen is kind of the look im after...im not sure how to put photos up on forum sorry....im guessing that's not suited for small surf though...
    Its main use wood be fishing for cod 2kms or so offshore on calm days but if i get caught out the boat needs to handle some rough stuff...
    Trolling in river ...lakes etc...
    It needs to be safe stable boat design for my small family...
    A design that doesnt take forever to build and relatively simple would suit best but keen to look at all options...
    Ive been looking at a few designs like the 15ft northbrumbrian coble by selway fisher designs....couple dories .by spira international...some from bateau.....
    Anyway any advice on designs would be much appreciated hopefully ive given enough imformation ...thanks
     
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    this is the sherwood queen glen l design.....i thought a small pilot house would suit me for shelter and also fishing all around the boat easy access to anchor...

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    Also this is a coble design not sure where the design is from but to me looks like a good sea boat....(im a novice in boating though thats why im here)...i prefer the concept of a pilot house better than a cuddy cabin ...be good to know pros and cons on pilot house vs cuddy ....

    Anyway thanks for any advice
     
  3. Mr Efficiency
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    The Sherwood Queen appears to be a displacement boat for pottering around slowly, launching through a smallish surf would be OK, but coming back in, presents problems, you really need the speed to stay on the back of the wave, or experience the terrors of broaching.
     
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    Thank you mate ...yea hopefully theres a hull design that would suit a small pilot house ...similar to the sherwood queens house...but the pilot house could be constructed later on after the build im guessing....but thanks mate ....a planning or semi planning hull it would have to be...cheers
     
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    If you keep the weight down, after all it is a small boat, you should be able to do a small enclosed cabin on another design yourself, but if you restrict yourself to ones that already offer that enclosed helm, then the choices will be pretty limited, one would think. From the aesthetic viewpoint, though, a wheelhouse planted on a 16 footer could easily look unpleasing to the eye. You also have to consider windage, if you were to place a bulky wheelhouse well forward, the effects of side winds becomes a possible issue. Also, you need a good tow vehicle to launch anything that size off a beach, depending on the location, in some cases tractors are the best option. Here's a 16' moderate vee planing boat that was actually designed for beach launch, probably goes back as far as the 1950-60's, but is still considered a successful design. Needs around 50hp. I recall reading once about a bloke who drove one of these from the Brisbane River to Heron Island, at the southern end of the Great Barrier Reef, a trip of several hundred miles, across mostly open waters, I'm not sure how he was able to carry enough fuel, or how sore his backside was at the end of it, but it shows he had a lot of confidence in the seaworthiness of it.
    Bliss-craft Oceaneer MK II : Boatcraft Pacific, the home of wooden boat building. https://boatcraft.com.au/Shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=69

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  6. Paul D
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    Thanks for the info mate...
    The oceaneer sounds real capable by the reviews ive read i like the idea of the self draining deck on them to...and id agree with you on a pilot house looking ugly on a small boat wouldnt want it looking to boxy ....i may reconsider having a small pilot house its more a fixation than a need i guess and if its guna cause problems in a breeze it may not be worth it....
    but some shelter for those cold days when the fishings the best would be good...and the ability to walk around to the front of the boat would be handy to...thanks again
     
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    Well, if you are southward in NZ, then that is a lot different to Queensland, where Roy Bliss hailed from, the water and air temps are much warmer, so I understand the desire for shelter. That boat, or close relatives of it, (there were different sizes), is obviously designed to keep a big wave from dumping a lot of green water in the boat, when running surf, hence the pronounced raised sheerline forward. But I doubt that stops much air-borne spray, that devolves more from the shape of the forefoot area, and it looks as though it could be a touch wet, you really need a cutaway forefoot to avoid spray. But a cutaway forefoot is not ideal in other ways, especially in a moderate vee hull.
     
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    Thanks again mate yea im way down south and shes especially cold down here at the moment i wouldnt be getting out fishing thats for sure ...yea a shelter would definitely help...i could stretch the design to 18 ft was just thinking of my garage space ..18ft would be left outside thats all....thanks for your advice
     
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    Hi people this is kind of a look im after....question is what is the smallest practical size a boat could be to have a setup like this ....cheers for any advice
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    Also the pilot house doesnt have to be that big...this was the kind of dream look im going for though....so im guessing 16ft is going to be to small to fit a small walkaround enclosure....so what size do you guys think i need to go without getting to big... thanks...hope that makes sense
     
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    You would need around 7 feet beam in a 16 footer to have a walkaround, enclosed helm, both to have the clearance, and that extra stability to cope with a structure that high. Were you to do such a thing with a boat such as the Oceaneer, I would have the helm position sole a good step below the self-drain level, with a good lip to keep water from entering. Otherwise it will have the appearance of a block of flats.
     
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  13. Paul D
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    Thanks mr Efficiency....appreciate the advice....i see the oceaneer has a 2metre beam which will be round 7 feet ...i also have been interested in devlins candlefish 18ft ....it has a 7ft beam but 18ft would have to be put on an angle in my garage to build which my wife may not be to happy about....maybe i could scale it down a foot?
    What are your thoughts on the candlefish design?....thanks
     
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    This is the candlefish 16
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    This is the pelicanio 18...same hull form as the candlefish 18
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