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Not arguing, but the history article I cited, said the earliest massive dikes were built before 1500. Between 1200 and 1500.
Your cite, Dutch conquest of the Banda Islands - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_conquest_of_the_Banda_Islands
says, this conquest occurred early 1600s, by the Dutch East India Company, formed at this same time.

The Dutch East India Company, officially the United East India Company (Dutch: Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie; VOC), was a megacorporation founded by a government-directed amalgamation of several rival Dutch trading companies (voorcompagnieën) in the early 17th century.[9][10] It was established on 20 March 1602

Dutch East India Company - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company

I'm reluctant to blame an entire country or people for the depredations of a rapacious corporation.
Anyway, neither the conquest occurred nor the Dutch East India Company exist, when the dikes began construction on a massive scale more than a century earlier.

Unless the histories are wrong.

 

See Jan Leeghwater* (1575 - 1650) and some before him.

* Nomen est omen, the name is an omen, Leeghwater means empty water.

 

Just checked that, not really Nomen est omen, as he gave the name to himself after he got involved with water works.

 

Jan Leeghwater - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Leeghwater
Under Criticism
The biographer of Leeghwater, mr. J.G. de Roever wrote that Leeghwaeter was vain and a braggart. This was written on the basis of archival research. He had much less to do with the reclaimed land than he wanted us to believe.

 

Actually the provided link tells massive dike works were done during the time of Dutch exploitation of colonialism and slavery and murders (‘‘Golden Age’’ the linked page says), a large part of the dirty money that came in that way was invested in the dikes (as the linked page also says, and is quoted below), while the countries it came from still suffer from the consequences, and now have to deal with sea level rise they mostly didn't cause themselves.


1500 | 2,600 km coast line → 1850 | 2,100 km coast line

‘‘ In the period between 1500 and 1800, the Netherlands became ever more prosperous and witnessed rapid population growth, although the graph displays peaks and troughs. The acme of the Golden Age was in the first half of the seventeenth century. Large scale hydraulic engineering works such as land reclamation, polders and large scale peat extraction were organized by collectives, with interested parties joining forces for the purpose. ’’

 

The Dutch used to call* the age of gruesome exploitation of colonialism and slavery and mutilations as unjust punishment and murders their ‘‘Golden Age’’ and ‘‘Dutch Empire’’, in which they claimed to have their own Dutch Slave Coast, and were for many dirty centuries major players in the world wide slave trade. They had slavery under their direct governance till 1863 in Suriname and the West Indies, and under indirect governance till 1910 in the East Indies on Sumbawa, and even longer on Samosir, and of course all that time they built also dikes in their homeland from the so earned dirty money. The Bangladeshi hadn't the opportunity to do anything for their country while suffering under British colonialism, and now they don't have the money as a burden from the past, so the British should pay for dikes in the region to relieve a bit of their debt, and they should be happy they have the opportunity to do so. Belgium should sell the country, which would maybe be good for half of the restorement payments in the former Belgian Congo, and the Dutch should sell their country too, which would maybe be good to pay half of the restorement payments for the damage done under the Dutch government around the globe, so Indonesia now also can build some dikes, and so relieve some of their Dutch burden from the past.

P.S.​

* some Dutch still do so in this age, below some for me shocking 2006 footage of the then Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, calling the Dutch in Dutch parliament to have and to show more of the above described VOC mentality today, and said in brought forward by himself VOC context ‘‘the Netherlands can do it again!’’, whatever it takes to make us great again. He's calls himself a Christian, and till today never took it back . .

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Transcript in Dutch: [FH = Femke Halsema, Parlementslid] [JPB = Jan Peter Balkenende, Minister President]
‘‘ [FH: U claimt succes] [JPB: ja] [FH: en dat succes is niet terecht] [JPB: Ik begrijp niet waarom u hier zo negatief en vervelend over doet. Laten we blij zijn met elkaar! Laten wij optimistisch zijn! Laten we zeggen: Nederland kan het weer! Die VOC mentaliteit, over grenzen heen kijken, dynamiek! Toch?] ’’

Translation: [FH = Femke Halsema, Member of Parliament] [JPB = Jan Peter Balkenende, Prime Minister]
‘‘ [FH: You claim success] [JPB: yes] [FH: and that success is not justified] [JPB: I don't understand why you are so negative and annoying about this. Let's be happy with each other! Let's be optimistic! Let's say: the Netherlands can do it again! The VOC mentality, looking across borders, dynamics! Agree?] ’’

Jan Peter Balkenende answered Femke Halsema there, she replied no !

Comments on the P.S. upward from post #3440 and a bit beyond, but don't skip our uplifting conversations in between . .

 

Re: post #3419; Maybe China will buy Belgium and the Netherlands and the UK, like they now also do in Greece, like with the Port of Piraeus.

→ China bought most of Greece’s main port and wants to make it the biggest in Europe (2019, it started small in 2009 with the lease of two docks for 35 years)


Port of Piraeus - November 11, 2019 - left of center the President of the Republic of China Xi Jinping himself and the Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis right of center


Port of Piraeus - March 4, 2015


Port of Piraeus - May 6, 2011


Port of Piraeus - 1892

 

Ever more wine from Norway, they already had apple brandy, but now grapes are doing well too there, they do so along the fjords, so maybe you can see it from the sea while traveling to Greenland for an inland lake cruise. Nice video 1¼ min, Norwegian spoken with Dutch subtitles, the Sognefjord is to be seen in the vid behind the winegrower.






Sognefjord + Vineyard, screenshot from the also above linked 2020 video.


Sognefjord at Vangsnes - September 24, 2006 - no wine yet

 

A II " Maybe China will buy Belgium and the Netherlands and the UK,"

Many thing are possible, and while not laudable, survivable!

 

Yes, the sad thing is most likely it rapidly would become like it's now getting in Hong Kong, when we get Xi Jinping as a ruler in Europe, but the peoples who suffered from the Europeans had no choice either, so we can only hope it will be better some centuries from now.

Meanwhile, everyone is engaged in space travel, Einstein has said in 1905 in the context of special relativity that if you leave the earth and fly for 10 years with 99.995% of the speed of light, then due to time dilation 1,000 years have passed on earth upon return, maybe things on earth are better then, if not then settle somewhere in space. To have a goal while doing this earthly time skipping, best fly to a star ± 500 light years from earth, and back. But astrophysicist Dr. Brian May has predicted in 1975 in Queen's song '39 that such returns to earth won't be joyful, as on the thread Songs About Boats in post #365 (which by coincidence stands for a year I believe). It was Queen's song № 39, Brian had then already completed his studies and dissertations in astrophysics, but held up his cum laude graduation for about half a century to rock with Queen first, meanwhile he kept studying and publishing about the subject.

NASA New Horizons​

‘‘ Queen lead guitarist and astrophysicist Dr. Brian May and NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden discuss the New Horizons mission prior to a science briefing on July 17, 2015 in Washington, D.C. ’’

A Survey of Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud by Brian Harold May, 2007th Edition (amazon)



‘‘ In the summer and autumn of 2006 I read several interviews with Brian May in which he mentioned his desire to complete the PhD that he had abandoned in 1974. I looked up the papers he had published while a PhD student, which were on spectroscopic studies of the motion of the dust responsible for the zodiacal light, and felt that there was a basis for a thesis. Since he had been a student at Imperial, I knew, as Head of the Astrophysics Group at Imperial, that it would be good for the Group if he came and worked with us. I got in touch with him by email and suggested he come and talk about it. He replied enthusiastically and said that he was working on typing up what he had completed by 1974. I gradually realized that I was the only staff member at Imperial who had previously worked on zodiacal dust, so that I would have to act as his supervisor. Eventually we met and I tried to assess whether he would be able to find time for the huge amount of work that finishing off a thesis involves, particularly if it has not been touched for over 30 years. Since some of Brian’s emails were coming from the recording studio I knew there was strong competition for his time. ’’

 

The same cerebral functions that excel at mathematics, also excel at music, because music is mathematics.


In early 60s, I was earning between a hundred and two hundred bucks a week, when a new volkswagon cost 1700$.. The other kids in the jazz combo, were the real talent, each playing multiple instruments. Me? I was focused! I beat the dickens out of my drums! All of us were A students in advanced math! Jazz is complicated music! Complicated time signatures, like 7/4 and 5/4 time (5 beats per measure instead of Rock n Roll's forever unvaried 4 beats per measure).. Complicated rythms, harmonies, and disharmonic harmonies! Ie Complicated math. Nerdy music! Tone poems.
If you can't place a piece of music in a genre, it's a good probability, it's jazz! Latin jazz, I like best!
Wine from Norway sparked this, wine and jazz are highly compatible.

And most famous 5/4 time number


or Mission Impossible 5/4?


Or 7/4 time?


Only in jazz can you explore the outer limits of music. Because, if you're doing it in another genre, you've jazzed it up, it becomes jazz!

A II "Einstein has said in 1905 in the context of special relativity that if you leave the earth and fly for 10 years with 99.995% of the speed of light, then due to time dilation 1,000 years have passed on earth upon return, maybe things on earth are better then, if not then settle somewhere in space. But astrophysicist Dr. Brian May has predicted in 1975 in Queen's song '39 that such returns to earth won't be joyful, as on the thread Songs About Boats in post #365"

No, NASA didn't find a parallel universe where time runs backward https://www.cnet.com/news/no-nasa-didnt-find-a-parallel-universe-where-time-runs-backward/

 

The Ocean’s Role in Climate | Oceanography https://tos.org/oceanography/article/the-oceans-role-in-climate

Yeah, they pay token lip service to AGW, but that's almost required to not be shut out by the AGW censors. Censoring alternative scientific opinion is another sure sign of an unscientific theory and ideology.
Anyway, the main point of the article seems to be, the oceans are definitely significant in understanding climate, but we don't have much in historical records.

If we don't understand climate, because we don't understand the oceans role in climate, then CO2's relative importance is also an unknown.
Making policy on AGW alarmists recommendations is not wise and not warranted. Climatologists are yet too ignorant of the climate systems, specifically the oceans, to provide rational recommendations regarding policy. Do nothing is a better tactic than doing the wrong ignorant thing!

 

Fossil Fuel Emissions Push Greenhouse Gas Indicators to Record High in May
Along with CO2, methane and nitrous oxide, the index also measures several less abundant but super-potent greenhouse gases. It shows that the heating power of all greenhouse gases combined is 45 percent higher than in 1990, a year chosen partly because the 1997 Kyoto Protocol set it as a baseline for international climate calculations. In the index released last week, combined greenhouse gases for the first time trapped the same amount of heat as an atmosphere with carbon dioxide at 500 ppm.

It took 30 years to raise them 45%, that sounds like anthropogenic global warming.

Fossil Fuel Emissions Push Greenhouse Gas Indicators to Record High in May https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04062020/fossil-fuel-emissions-mauna-loa-keeling-curve-coronavirus-hawaii

 

Sounds like mass hysteria, over active imaginations, and desperation your grand propaganda scheme is too shop worn to be attractive to new converts. Losing your audience. That's the trouble with those who cry wolf falsely. Soon they have no credibility.
Much of the world was still locked down during May. Wasn't consumers burning fossil fuels.
I would suggest warming oceans out-gassed any extra CO2! If the figures were accurate and not fudged!

 

Earth’s carbon dioxide levels hit record high, despite coronavirus-related emissions drop

.......the continuing rise in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere may sound surprising in light of recent findings that the pandemic, and the associated lockdowns, had led to a steep drop in global greenhouse gas emissions, peaking at a 17 percent decline in early April.....

According to a Scripps news release announcing the findings, CO2 emissions reductions on the order of 20 to 30 percent would need to be sustained for six to 12 months in order for the increase in atmospheric CO2 to slow in a detectable way......