Historical multihulls

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by Gary Baigent, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. Skip JayR
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    (Smaller) Alternatives to 97 Foot length...

    Yes, IDEC is a very nice "big boat". Here rarely British and French designers worked together: Nigel Irens & Benoit Cabaret. Regularly they are in concurrence to each other.

    A 97 Footer is huge... highly production costs...

    What do you think about the concept for the smaller Trimaran ANEO sailed by female French skipper Anne Caseneuve...
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    For me this Trimaran has one of the most harmonic movements going through rough sea... not one of these aggressive "knife cutting through butter" racers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxi5pSG1HUc


    Interesting that Trimaran ANEO (built in 2001) was combining the design quality of two trimarans: main hull of Fujicolor (60ft.) originally designed by Nigel Irens plus the amas coming from Franck Cammas' Groupama 2 (60ft).


    Would be interesting to know a Trimaran with Schooner rig, indeed...

    Mainly I have seen Ketch rigs... e.g. free standing masts on 55 ft. Juniper 2 (built in 1989) designed by Chris White which just was sold for 200,000 US dollars.

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    Any Trimarans rigged as schooner ?
     
  2. oldsailor7
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    Thats a wonderful picture of a "tweaked" B24. :cool:
    Note how the bows are extended at deck level, and the sterns at water level, giving the benefits of extra float length without excessive increase in weight.
     
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    Cavalier, you cant imagine to cruise on a F40 Trimaran ? :)
     
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    What is your budget Skip? There is a 40' Cabon tri going for €50K
     
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    Any vid of this pimped boat ? :) Looks from distance beautifully...
     
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    I know, I know, I know... still waiting for some pictures under deck... I am in direct contact with the designer. So lets keep silent for now ! ;-) But I dont have big hope, rogerf. As it is already warned: only for people less taller than 6'. As I have at least 6.07 with shoes I'd get some backbone and neck muscle tensions over time.... not very healthy. :)
     
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    Am I making troubles ??? haha.... thats new. Good to know... its not always bad to be a "trouble shooter". ;-)
     
  8. cavalier mk2
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    Actually I could but it is back pack cruising for sure. And I'd want a smaller rig. The 2 masted option is one also used by that rascal Newick, some of his boats had it as a cruising set up. But then the Nicol is really comfy, dry and embarrasses newer boats and can carry more. Gals like it, it takes care of you.

    One thing to remember in the whole diagonal debacle is that it is much more important on wider boats than narrow ones. The skinny ones carry much more of the down forces on the main bow and stern with the amas getting side loads. The wide lever that comes with big beam demands bows and sterns on the amas that can cope with the loads.

    Right now coast guard choppers are cruising back and forth overhead and I hope someone hasn't gotten into trouble.
     
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    I should mention that a couple 35' Nicol Wanderers capsized. They had short floats but went over sideways in big wind, unattention scenarios. The Wanderer then got the longer Vagabond/ Cavalier style amas. The only thing I'd do to mine is similar to the Bucc Gary showed and add a stern ama stem extension instead of the small transoms for less immersed drag.
     
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    There is a thread about the rebuilding of a Nicol Hedley Trimaran...
    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/hedley-nicol-trimaran-plans-31877-18.html#post596093

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    Some pictures here, too...
    http://trimaranproject.blogspot.de/p/triwanders-hedley-nicol-cavalier.html

    And about the plans...
    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/hedley-nicol-trimaran-plans-31877-6.html
     
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    Nice term.... learnt something new today. :)

    Same old boring story.... luxury girls shall keep home and wait. Luckily there are some out with a healthy brain having understood that comfort isnt eveything in life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaH_UUH0Ek


    You should look for the right girl in the right place... :)

    You know skipper Karine Fauconnier ?
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    She was professional skipper till 2010 (then becoming mother at the age of 38), before she skippered a 60 Footer, the Tri Sergio Tacchini (Orma 60)...
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    ... and sailed the one design D35 Catamaran
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  12. Doug Halsey
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    Norm Riise in California also developed a VPP for predicting catamaran performance at about the same time. I'm not sure when it was 1st operational, but there was an article about it in the April, 1975 issue of Sail magazine. And I have a copy of a letter that Norm wrote in 1972, describing some results from it.
     
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    Tks.... do you know when VPP was used first time for Trimarans ? :)
     
  14. cavalier mk2
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    "Same old boring story.... luxury girls shall keep home and wait. Luckily there are some out with a healthy brain having understood that comfort isnt eveything in life.


    You should look for the right girl in the right place... "

    Ah now Skip, it isn't my style to deny a boat ride to a lady that wants one just because she is top shelf. A gentle introduction to cruising can be a rewarding way to open the door to adventure....

    But you can send me contact info for all the tomboys you want!

    After a day of cross country hiking without trails, mountain biking on over grown logging roads, small craft exploration it is nice to drag ones carcass back to a haven to recover. And I need enough elbow room to bow my violin. Plus I've cruised comfortably with 4 while a F-40 could maybe take 2.

    Because of the geometry the easy motion is practical for the young, old and sick or injured. The wing decks keep things dry. Some examples, with my son I used the Nicol to teach sailing to middle school kids for 4 years.

    For 6 months we took injured Army soldiers from the Warrior Transition Battalion sailing, at times it was like a hospital ship with the bunks used by the people who really shouldn't have been out yet.

    In each of these cases we could take a dozen at a time. Then there are the extended family holiday sails.

    We were able to take a couple cruising where the lady was becoming ill but wanted to try sailing while she could.

    Sailing in the PNW your foulies can become like a second skin during the wet season. the hard dodger/pilot house makes them optional as you can just hop out to tack. I'm getting soft because I don't want to go back.

    And it can sail fast in a breeze and ghost in a zephyr. Are there faster boats? Sure but none that bring in the features for the price tag. It is a lot more fun to be faster than expected than slower than desired.

    As a cruising boat I want certain features as well as speed. I use paper charts and want a nav area where I can work and people still can get by me. A galley out of the traffic pattern with enough room to make a big meal. I found Lyn Pardey's "The care and Feeding of the Offshore Crew" helpful in planning the layout. Then there is seating where people don't have to get up to let someone pass and bunks that don't have to be seats. Then there is the head out of the main accommodation.

    It seems fat just talking about it but laid out like a airplane it really isn't. Luxury girls will say "I thought it was bigger." until they find out how well it works and how nice the big deck is. To get this in a Newick I have to go up to a 45- 50 footer and then the gear gets bigger. These days I mainly single hand so have to weigh the convenience of rig sizes.

    For cruising with the kind of versatility I need in a off the grid RV boat a F-40 can't cut it. Racing one would be faster.
     

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    So it's the "shovel trap" of flat decks too far forward that's the main factor that reduces diagonal stability ?

    Is that also the case with the poor rear diagonal stability that was mentioned as well ?
     
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