Climate change falsehood

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  1. bntii
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    Interesting to note who is on this band wagon Hoyte:

    Fox News!
     
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    Fox is a little too liberal for me, but I am glad they are beginning to come around. :D
     
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    USA TODAY | Study sees climate upside in greening arid regions

     
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    Driving through the Arizona Desert last month I was surprised to see how plentiful is the vegetation, and I don't mean the petrified wood.
     

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    http://icecap.us/index.php/go/new-a...ts_so_alarmists_return_to_the_consensus_hoax/

    AGW theory has failed all tests, so alarmists return to the ‘consensus’ hoax

    Joseph D’Aleo, CCM, Weatherbell Analytics

    National Academies of Science defines a scientific theory as

    “a well-substantiated explanation of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.”

    Dr Richard Feynman, Cornell Physicist in a lecture explained how theorys that failed the test of data or experiment are falsified ("wrong") and must be discarded.

    GLOBAL WARMING THEORY HAS FAILED

    (1) Warming not ‘global’. It is shown in satellite data to be northern hemisphere only

    (2) It is now not warming. Warming (global mean and northern hemisphere) stopped in the 1990s

    (3) Models suggest atmosphere should warm 20% faster than surface but surface warming was 33% faster during the time satellites and surface observations used. This suggests GHG theory wrong, and surface temperature contaminated

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    “Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had. Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics.” Michael Crichton 17 January 2003 speech at the California Institute of Technology

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    A lot of people are surprised when they see how much desert vegetation there is. Their mental picture of deserts is Sahara sand dunes.

    But much of it only grows a few months (or less) each year, when the rains fall. After a frantic burst of growth and seed production, it dies back again.

    Have you ever seen a mule deer in the desert? Stags usually average about 200 lbs, but a trophy-sized one can run well over 400.....
     
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    I saw some pronghorn antelope out there. At nearly 70 mph I missed my photo shot. :(
     
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    The first warning flag you should get when reading Micah's list of apparent AGW falsifications is that there are few references to scientific papers for most of their assertions. Many of the questions raised we have discussed in previous posts on this thread.

    The single most complete web site that I am aware of for answering these types of AGW questions is Skeptical Science.com, though the actual scientific information comes from a wide range of sources.

    I’ll briefly respond to a few of the statements, and leave researching the rest as an exercise for Micah719.

    (1) Warming not ‘global’. It is shown in satellite data to be northern hemisphere only

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
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    Northern hemisphere warming rates: More than you may have heard

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    (2) It is now not warming. Warming (global mean and northern hemisphere) stopped in the 1990s

    Did global warming stop in 1998, 1995, 2002, 2007, 2010?
    (4) Temperatures longer-term have been modified to enhance warming trend and minimize cyclical appearance. Station dropout, missing data, change of local siting, urbanization, instrumentation contaminate the record, producing exaggerating warming. The GAO scolded NOAA for poor compliance with siting standards.

    Did CRU tamper with temperature data?
    Does Urban Heat Island effect exaggerate global warming trends?

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    (5) Those who create the temperature records have been shown in analysis and emails to take steps to eliminate inconvenient temperature trends like the Medieval Warm Period, the 1940s warm blip and cooling since 1998. Steps have included removal of the urban heat island adjustment and as Wigley suggested in a climategate email, introduce 0.15C of artificial cooling of global ocean temperatures near 1940.

    What do the 'Climategate' hacked CRU emails tell us?
    (7) Climate models all have a strong hot spot in the mid to high troposphere in the tropical regions. Weather balloons and satellite show no warming in this region the last 30 years.

    There's no tropospheric hot spot
    What is the role of stratospheric water vapor in global warming?
    (8) Ocean heat content was forecast to increase and was said to be the canary in the coal mine. It too has stalled according to NOAA PMEL. The warming was to be strongest in the tropics where the models were warming the atmosphere the most. No warming has been shown in the top 300 meters in the tropical Pacific back to the 1950s.

    Does ocean cooling prove global warming has ended?
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    (11) Alarmists predicted an increase in hurricane frequency and strength globally but the global activity had diminished after 2005 to a 30+ year low. The U.S. has gone seven consecutive years without a landfalling major hurricane, the longest stretch since the 1860s

    NOAA | Global Warming and Hurricanes
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    Figure 2: Two different statistical models of Atlantic hurricane activity vs sea surface temperature (SST). The upper panel statistically models hurricane activity based on "local" tropical Atlantic SST, while the bottom panel statistically models hurricane activity based on tropical Atlantic SST relative to SST averaged over the remainder of the tropics. Both comparisons with historical data and future projections using this approach are shown. See Vecchi et al. 2008 for details.

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    Figure 3: Reconstruction of Atlantic tropical storms (1878 to current) with adjustments during the pre-satellite era (1878-1965) based on weather reporting ship track density in the Atlantic. Blue curve shows the adjustment for estimated number of missing storms. From Vecchi and Knutson (2008)

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    (14) Alarmists indicated winter would become warmer and short. The last 15 years has seen a decline in winter temperatures in all regions. In places winter have been the coldest and longest in decades and even centuries.

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    Yes, for the last decade or so, temperatures have not increased, but are still at record highs.

    (15) Alarmists had indicated snow would become increasingly rare in middle latitudes especially in the big cities where warming would be greatest. All time snow records were set in virtually all the major cities and northern hemisphere snow coverage in winter has increased with 4 of the top 5 years since 2007/08. Also among the east coast high impact snowstorms tracked by NOAA (NESIS), 11 of the 46 have occurred since 2009.

    Does record snowfall disprove global warming?
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    Record high snow cover was set in winter 2008/2009
    (16) Alarmists had indicated a decline of Antarctic ice due to warming. The upward trends since 1979 continues.

    Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?

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    (17) Alarmists had indicated Greenland and arctic ice melt would accelerate. The arctic ice tracks with the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation and the IARC shows the ice cover was similarly reduced in the 1950s when the Atlantic was last in a similar warm mode. In Greenland, the warmth of the 1930s and 1940s still dominates the records and longer term temperatures have declined.

    Apparently, the AMO is not well understood, and there is significant on-going research.

    Links for 'It's Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO)'

    Links for about 20 scientific papers discussing the AMO

    (18) Sea level rise was to accelerate upward due to melting ice and warming. Sea levels actually slowed in the late 20th century and have declined or flattened the last few years. Manipulation of data (adjustment for land rises following the last glaciation) has been applied to hide this from the public.

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    http://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-level-fall-2010.htm
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Scientists-retracted-claim-rising-sea-levels.htm
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise.htm
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise-predictions.htm
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/decelerating-sea-level-rise.htm
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-level-not-rising.htm

    (21) Mt. Kilimanjaro glacier was to disappear due to global warming. Temperatures show no warming in recent decades. The reduction in glacial ice was due to deforestation near the base and the state of the AMO. The glaciers have advanced again in recent years

    Mt. Kilimanjaro Ice Cap rapidly retreats, 85% of 1912's ice cover vanished..recent surface melting not occurred over 11700 yrs

    Wikipedia | Ice on Kilimanjaro

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    (22) Polar bears were claimed to be threatened. Polar bear populations instead have increased to record levels and threaten the populace.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear#Predictions
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    (23) Australian drought was forecast to become permanent. Steps to protect against floods were defunded. Major flooding did major damage and rainfall has been abundant in recent years tied to the PDO and La Nina as predicted by honest scientists in Australia. All years with La Nina and cold PDO composited show this rainfall. Drought was associated with El Ninos and warm PDO fro[m] 1977 to 1998

    It's Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO)

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    (25) Of 18,531 citations in the 2007 IPCC Assessment Report, 5,587 or 30% were non-peer-reviewed material, including activist tracts, press releases, and in one amazing case, “Version One” of a Draft. In important instances, IPCC lead authors chose non-peer-reviewed material, or papers of low credibility, favoring their argument, in the face of prolific peer-reviewed material to the contrary. Instances include alleged climate relevance to malaria, hurricanes, species extinction, and sea levels.

    Were skeptic scientists kept out of the IPCC?
     
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    In 43 years sea level has gone up less than 2 inches. Better roll up your trouser cuffs or they might get wet; or maybe go a couple of yards towards high ground.

    Alarmist crap.

    There has been no global warming since 1998.

    Watch out for black ice on bridges and roads if you want something real to worry about.
     
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    Some people must just really love to cut and paste. There is a name for that condition.
     
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    Cutandpastitis?

    Cutandpastosis?
     
  13. SamSam
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    So sorry. I'll confine my posts to intelligent, informative thought such as

    or the deep thinking illustrated here

    I actually should have posted it in the other thread on climate change

    since that thread is started from the archives of Forbes also, but with an opposite view. But to me, it just seemed to be a re-hash of all that's here, so why bother.


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    I apologise for quoting this material in full, and request anyone seeing it to visit the original site. Anyone posting me royalty cheques, please post another cheque covering the cost of transfer of such funds to the rightful copyright owner. Boatdesign forums are completely innocent of any involvement in this, the fault is all mine.
     
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