Japanese Quake and tsunami

Rotting biomass can produce excellent fuel, that's how oil was created in the first place. The problem is, the oil is already there and so is the infrastructure to process and deliver it.

I worry that small, municipally operated fuel plants could have the same potential as small, locally operated chemical plants, smaller accidents but lots more of them.

While I like the idea of creative uses for biological garbage, I don't like the idea of more competition for farm land in a World already short of food. Provided they only use waste organic material for this plant its OK, but if square miles of good farmland around the plant are devoted to providing feed material then think again.
 
Bos, I believe that you do not watch Fox news or you wouldn't say that. It has Sean Hannity, who is very one track (It happens to be MY track but I don't watch him - I saw everything he has to say the first time I watched him), Glenn Beck, who has used a bit of license in his story-telling a time or two but is SPOT ON 99% of the time, center leftists like Bill OReilly, Greta Van Susteren, Juan Williams and Shepard Smith, and loony left Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes, etc.. There is a late night show called Red Eye that makes no sense to me - must be aimed at gay young men is all I can figure. Watch Charles Krauthammer and be enlightened by truth and intelligence. It is actually very balanced, if more left than I would prefer, if you would just not listen to your Rachel F'ing Ex-wife, (B)witch Maddow and think, you'd see that. Yes, Europe has CNN and similar trash (PMSNBC?), just like we do. You're not going all HIllary on me and going to tell us Al Jazeera is REAL NEWS and superior to all US news sources are you? The fact of the matter is that we used to have news but that changed with Walter Cronkite. Now we have opinions, left, right, and in-between.

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Chlorodifluoromethane (HFC 22), used in Airsoft
 
uh oh we're going political again, its a spiral and it usually ends in total thread deviation, not good.

hmmmmm
I think we know where we each stand politically but in short ( extremely short so as not to interrupt this most informative thread ) I'd a voted Clinton over Obummer anyday and we'd all have been the better off for it. But once again it would've been a lesser of all evils kinda thing.

so whats the news today, I heard something about "brown" smoke this time. I think it was reactor 3 again. Anyone got a grip on what various colors smoke pore from a reactor when what version of disaster is happening, cause last time the smoke was white; which kinda sounds like steam to me, but this time we have brown which sounds more like fire. This bunch seems awfully about reactors.

cheers
B
 
Bos, We've got one guy that presumably knows anything about this. We have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks, Googlers and other pretenders. The thread could die any time.
 
If we got one guy who's not talking out his *** permanently then thats one more than I generally find on most other forums, boats or otherwise. One of the reasons I tend to hang here, that and I actually would like to retire back to the water some day.

and ya all good threads tend to die off eventually no mater what
it just happens that way
I call it going the way of the Dodo

oh
I saw at least two people who seemed to know there stuff pretty well, I know I learned a few things, well worth the read actually.

anyway I'm thinking brown smoke is worse than white smoke which was probably steam but coulda been something else. Brown smoke isn't likely steam and is likely bad news, which led to the "get the thread back on track question" which was a sincere question by the way, although I could just go read more of the news. Might say, you never know.

anyway there's something I get directed to allot called Moxnews that's pretty enjoyable. Pretty sure it has your favorite news presenter tho ;-)
 
Sounds like it may be electrical equipment catching fire as power is restored. The reports I'm looking at now say short lived black smoke which has been stopped and everyone is back at work.

The iodine-131 contamination is a minor problem, and one that will solve itself shortly. The half-life of I-131 is something like 8 days and so within a month only about 10% of the current level of radiation will remain. Cesium is a bigger concern because of it's longer half life and the fact that it tends to be absorbed in the bones where it irradiates the marrow and can cause leukemia.

I am a little curious where Tokyo gets its drinking water from because that seems awfully fast for it to have gotten into the groundwater.
 
Water is an interesting animal specially just after an earthquake. Water tables are configured to the topography rather than be some kind of large flat reservoir that just happens to be underground. If an earthquake moved land vertically or tilted it which in this case it sounds like it did, then every water table in the effected area is going to be moving as fast as it can to equalize itself = far more motion in the water table than normal.

also when smoke goes up it eventually comes back down as rain or snow and it did just snow a few days after the event so its possible that the nucleus of fallen snow was dust/smoke from the fires at the plants. Might have served to keep the radiation local by precipitating so quickly after the event.

just a couple of guesses as to how that might have happened

cheers
B
 
IAEA is reporting the first radiation related injuries of the event.

Three workers who were in the turbine building of the #3 reactor received beta burns to their feet from wading in contaminated water. Their total dose is estimated to be 170-180 millisieverts which is far below the potentially lethal dose, however it produced effects because of the type of radiation (beta particles) and because it was concentrated on one part of the body.
 
And... we don't like bad stuff in our environment but it will heal eventually. Compare the effects of massive fireball, concussion and radioactivity - Hiroshima, 65 years after the bomb:
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...to the deleterious long-term effects of what you are trying to do to the Western World through liberal policies today. A little cleansing and humility might be a good thing in the long run - Detroit, with 65 years of programs trying to take care of those who would not work with money of those who do:
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I'd take the radiation, thank you.
 
Hiroshima is a beautiful sparkling jewel of a city. Here is to Japan again rising from the ashes and devastation!
 
I admire those people and wish we had more like them here to rebuild our country. I expect to be apparently ignored (with bitten tongues) or barked at here soon - I think I'll go get back to work. I'd give ya a point, Hoyt, but it won't let me... Good day.
 
no ones ignoring you Mark, Whatever your opinion your bound to be one of the more entertaining people in this thing
 
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