Yacht Yogi sinks

Discussion in 'Stability' started by michael pierzga, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. Pascal Warin
    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posts: 81
    Likes: 2, Points: 8, Legacy Rep: 38
    Location: Paris

    Pascal Warin Junior Member

    To my knowledge the yard comes with a basic design that the stylist ruins for "better comfort" purpose.
     
  2. michael pierzga
    Joined: Dec 2008
    Posts: 4,862
    Likes: 116, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 1180
    Location: spain

    michael pierzga Senior Member

    My experience with two new builds in the Netherlands at respected yards was that a " signature " naval architecture house delivers the hull design and structural engineering , then a stylist in consultation with the shipyards in house naval architects modify to the owners fantasy.
    I have seen the shipyards in house architect reject style modifications such as superstructure details like electro hydraulic opening windows , which may compromise the integrity of the vessel and the name of the shipyard.

    Perhaps the shipyard in Turkey , in search of boat show awards, did not reject styling details that could bring grief to the yard.
     
  3. Willallison
    Joined: Oct 2001
    Posts: 3,590
    Likes: 130, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 2369
    Location: Australia

    Willallison Senior Member

    :idea:
    Here's an idea... how about you all wait to find what the ACTUAL CAUSE of the incident was before you race about with fictitious accusations as to who's to blame....
     
  4. daiquiri
    Joined: May 2004
    Posts: 5,371
    Likes: 258, Points: 93, Legacy Rep: 3380
    Location: Italy (Garda Lake) and Croatia (Istria)

    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    Oh come on... What shall we talk about here then? :p

    And then, the world's newspapers need this forum (really) to get their technical (dis)information about analysis of ship accidents... Se the case of Concordia, for example. :D
     
  5. Willallison
    Joined: Oct 2001
    Posts: 3,590
    Likes: 130, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 2369
    Location: Australia

    Willallison Senior Member

    Lol... :D
     
  6. Alik
    Joined: Jul 2003
    Posts: 3,075
    Likes: 357, Points: 93, Legacy Rep: 1306
    Location: Thailand

    Alik Senior Member

    Will, we will never know! Such cases are reluctantly being disclosed. I was involved in teaching stability of commercial ships for seafarers, and stability of naval ships. That days officials provided some reports for us to read, but never made them public.
     
  7. daiquiri
    Joined: May 2004
    Posts: 5,371
    Likes: 258, Points: 93, Legacy Rep: 3380
    Location: Italy (Garda Lake) and Croatia (Istria)

    daiquiri Engineering and Design

    Yep, just like I'm pretty sure we will never know how many car accidents are really not due to human error but rather to mechanical or electric failures. Something that car makers would probably never admit, thus leaving my suspects with no official proofs. ;)
     
  8. Willallison
    Joined: Oct 2001
    Posts: 3,590
    Likes: 130, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 2369
    Location: Australia

    Willallison Senior Member

    Perhaps... we shall just have wait and see...

    In an interview with the builder:
    Funny... no mention of the swimming pool...:rolleyes:

    and..
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2012
    1 person likes this.
  9. michael pierzga
    Joined: Dec 2008
    Posts: 4,862
    Likes: 116, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 1180
    Location: spain

    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Its a big insurance claim. Both the operator and builder will try to avoid liability. Flag states dont like to be too agressive or they will spook future clients. When superyachts burn up or sustain serious damage ,information is sequestered and bled thru lawyers and spokesmen . You seldom learn or understand what happened to allow a situation go critical. Understanding or speculating on the cause of accidents makes us all safer and smarter.

    At present in the shipyard are the toasted remains of a 30 meter motoryacht. No one knows why it burnt....perhaps mood candles placed in cabins to help the guests communicate on a higher level ? or an improper electrical installation ? or poor crew training ? or the owner just grew tired of paying for it ? .
     
  10. Willallison
    Joined: Oct 2001
    Posts: 3,590
    Likes: 130, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 2369
    Location: Australia

    Willallison Senior Member

    Understanding, yes. Speculating does nothing more than fill the pages of increasingly meaningless threads... dedicated more to fiction than fact.

    To make informed hypotheses based on known facts is one thing, but to simply take wild guesses and make accusations as to who is to blame is quite another
     
  11. michael pierzga
    Joined: Dec 2008
    Posts: 4,862
    Likes: 116, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 1180
    Location: spain

    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Perhaps.

    it is incorrect to drag a shipyard , architect or crews reputation thru the mud.

    Im sitting in the nav station of a yacht now. Internet is very weak. I tried to research the AIS track of Yogi but all the sites are bandwidth intensive and my connection poops out. Have you seen her track ? Several hours between emergency and abandon ship. How did the crew manage coarse and speed to address the problem ? I ask because I am a yacht captain and have spent decades sailing stylised complex boats. I am constantly imagining emergency scenarios and defensive strategies. I dont wait to read flag state conclusion
     
  12. Pascal Warin
    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posts: 81
    Likes: 2, Points: 8, Legacy Rep: 38
    Location: Paris

    Pascal Warin Junior Member

    It is most likely they did not have any speed more.
     
  13. michael pierzga
    Joined: Dec 2008
    Posts: 4,862
    Likes: 116, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 1180
    Location: spain

    michael pierzga Senior Member

    This would be nice to know...if the machine room was disabled and the vessel had no way on. The AIS track would reveal this.

    This statement from the shipyard seems to indicate that the machine room was not disabled ?

    “They have said it was mechanical failure, that one engine overheated, and broke the exhaust bellows – but there’s a valve underneath it.”

    "You can see water coming out of the side and power on the vessel [ie lights were on] so the generators were running – you can tell many things, so the engine room was not flooded. You can see [in the video] exhaust coming from the hull side so one of engine room generators was running.”
     
  14. powerabout
    Joined: Nov 2007
    Posts: 2,944
    Likes: 67, Points: 48, Legacy Rep: 719
    Location: Melbourne/Singapore/Italy

    powerabout Senior Member

    might have had separate gen set room?
     

  15. powerabout
    Joined: Nov 2007
    Posts: 2,944
    Likes: 67, Points: 48, Legacy Rep: 719
    Location: Melbourne/Singapore/Italy

    powerabout Senior Member

    I hear of plenty offshore vessel accidents around here and crew deaths from the guys on location but never read about them anywhere
     
Loading...
Forum posts represent the experience, opinion, and view of individual users. Boat Design Net does not necessarily endorse nor share the view of each individual post.
When making potentially dangerous or financial decisions, always employ and consult appropriate professionals. Your circumstances or experience may be different.