Worse design

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  1. gonzo
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    What are the aspects of a design that makes it really bad?
     
  2. tkk
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    Even though it is difficult to define, I would say that UGLY is aa attribute that can alone spoil a design.

    Even the fastest, seaworthiest and whateverest design is a bad one if it fails to please the eye.
     
  3. Leo Lazauskas
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    For me it is if a design is prone to act unpredictably, or not intuitively.
    For example, a braking system on a car is a poor design if pressing the brake pedal slows the car as expected for the force applied on the pedal, but a tiny bit more force produces a very large change in the car's speed.
     
  4. Kaluvic
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    I'm a big fan of form follows function....so the first thing a good design has to do is to perform the function as it was intended.
    AFTER that has been achieved/assured, we can start tweaking from a style perspective.
     
  5. frank smith
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    I am not a big fan to tail fins . I like them on jets , but not so much on boats ,
    unless they are the kind that stick down into the water .
     
  6. nukisen
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    I would agree to Leo.
    No matters how good looking the boat does have. When performance is crappy.

    Also I will agree with TKK! An ugly boat with ordinary handling isn´t many peoples favorite either.

    Maybe a sailboat using plates instead of ordinary sails is a bad design? As the performance was the same as with canvas but much more complicated to handle. I would call it a bad design.

    Maybe it would work if I continued to develop the idéa. As it also was ugly it was a really bad design. But I did have fun.

    Gonzo!
    This thread can be very interesting!
    And I do apreciate it as I hope to get fun reading the answers.
     
  7. Wynand N
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    Wynand N Retired Steelboatbuilder

    Putting a 36ft interior into a 26ft boat then cramp 57ft equipment list and electrical systems into her....:confused:
     
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  8. dreamer
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    I think a boat that doesn't float would be a pretty good indication of poor design.

    or poor construction.

    or just bad luck.
     
  9. apex1

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    Not to forget the power of a 70ft.

    And form follows function was wrong from the time this statement came up.

    In yacht design I often found, that the nice appearance, a completely coherent and attractive style, goes hand in hand with a thoroughly successful performance.

    My opinion is, that a good NA / designer, worth his salt, takes the time to focus on both aspects.

    my 2c

    Richard
     
  10. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    I think that form follows function may produce a nice boat. However, the function of modern pleasure boats is to have the most interior space with as much shiny stuff as the boat will handle.
     
  11. frank smith
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    Do you like my new mega flair , very Euro I think.

    Converted_25 flair.jpg
     
  12. apex1

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    Looks nice, but there is nothing Euro in it!

    Thats a typical US mistake or misnomer, what is known there as "Euro Style" you will find nowhere in Europe. In fact it is absolutely unsaleable in Europe.

    Cheers
    Richard
     
  13. messabout
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    But "pleasing to the eye" is a purely subjective proposition. Sort of like "one mans meat is another mans poison" I like my boats to be salty looking while my neighbor thinks that glitz is the defining feature. In the end, I believe that safety is the most important consideration.
     
  14. frank smith
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    frank smith Senior Member

    Yes you are right , is this better ?

    Converted_euro.jpg
     

  15. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    Now that can get us into a fight over light versus heavy displacement or canoe stern versus transom :)
     
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