Winches for sail lines

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  1. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    When one use a winch to trim a sail, can one use a clam cleat to hold the line, or would a cleat be better to tie the line to ?

    Thanks
     
  2. souljour2000
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    souljour2000 Senior Member

    You are a smart builder with some time on the ocean...what do you think...I would trust whatever your own judgement is in this case Fanie..cam cleats are great for light loads on my H-20...with nothing but a single block taking the rest of the load...This is hard on cam cleats though I suspect without a cheek block to take more of the load...with a winch or a a block on track I think cam cleat works usually in smaller boats under 22 feet at times...sometimes you need the cheek block in the middle during high wind loads... for sure...beyond that is beyond my experience...
     
  3. alan white
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    alan white Senior Member

    I think a horned cleat works best sheeting with a single turn and pinched under rather than normal "X" cleating---- emergencies can arise from sheets getting hung up, but rarely because a sheet lets go.
    A clam cleat makes good sense when used with a winch. It requires no more than a quick one-handed motion to release it, and that's what you want.
     
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    Itchy&Scratchy Senior Member

    Why not just use a self tailing winch - job done, especially if you are sailing on your own
     
  5. Manie B
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    Here is the setup that i worked with on the Beneteau 35 - very good all round
    self tailing winches are a must - and two speed
    and Fanie for the sizes of sails that you are looking at these winches are a bit small - go one size up
    when i was tired, i had a hard time winching in the jib flat in a close hauled tack, even the bigger guys that were with me pulled hard.
     

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    I agree, self tailing if it is being changed frequently. A cleat for something like halyard tension.
     
  7. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    Thanks everyone for your comments.

    I have power boat experience, and very little sailing experience with larger sails, but looking anxiously foreward to getting some :D
    In the mean time I try not to think about it, it just makes me land sick... sick of sitting on the land ;)

    I have made a prototype of an oversize clam cleat, the idea was to pull the line into it and then tie it to a cleat. The clam cleat btw does not work, I'll figure out later why it doesn't clamp the line properly.

    I would like to make my own winches, half the stuff is here already, and motorised if possible especially for the anchors. I'm not sure if I can make the self tailing part myself, maybe if I have one to see exactly what it does.

    What do you mean one size up Manie, the smaller the winch the slower it is and the more leverage you're supposed to get. Ok, ok, I know what you mean.

    He he... so was that every one else :D

    And my sails are not that big Manie, they will only be 45 to 50 sq meters each...

    Is that big ?
     
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    Fanie Fanie

    Thanks Zed - good link there. I KNEW someone had to make clutches for lines. that's what will keep a boat from capsizing !
     
  10. Itchy&Scratchy
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    Itchy&Scratchy Senior Member

    Hey Fanie, those jammers are nice and are fine for halyards, where you are coming off a winch for the uphaul, spinnaker etc and then through a jammer.

    But no use for your fairleads, one winch, with a self tailer on each side, or if you want to save some dosh and be a tight arse, you could have one central mounted winch.
    If you really want to look windgat ( flash) you could have nice carbon fibre grinder to drive the winches, couple of nice blondes in G strings to grind..................50 thousand buck boat with a 150 thousand buck grinder....

    Tell me what size winches you are after and Ill have a look here in the UK, we have a massive choice of stuff here.
    I am loading my container to leave UK early March , so if theres anything that you or Manie want-within reason- let me know.
    regards
    J
     
  11. Manie B
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    Manie B Senior Member

    hey what is this all about

    are you coming back this way?

    i would like two of the smallest self tailing winches that is available - i think that is 80mm = 3"
    what price can you getthem at?

    nothing fancy - nothing wayout:D
     
  12. Manie B
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    Manie B Senior Member

    i went racing

    we did win - my skipper is a slave driver:D
    he gets so exited that i get scared

    now i know that i am a "cruiser' - waaaaay to old for racing
    they are experienced - i am just plain old:D
     
  13. capt vimes
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    fanie
    as itchy mentioned...
    cluthes for halyards and stuff - winches (self tailing) for sheets - foresheets that is...
    mainsheet arrangement usually looks like this on smaller boat (http://www.solent-sailing.de/grossschot1.jpg)...
    what do you want clamcleats for sheeting?
     
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    Zed Senior Member

    Its normally the wingnut on da wheel that is the problem if you are winching to hard! Tell the skipper to steer right.... :p
     

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    Zed Senior Member

    Self tailing is nice but horns are OK on a crusier. Just make sure that the main is easy to release and that the vang is also easy to blow. Should the poo hit da fan,--> drop the main quickly going uphill and blow the vang then main sheet going down hill. Then worry about the head sails...

    Put a good clutch that can be released under load on the vang.
     
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