Why designers, who sell the plans design so uncomfortable cats?

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  1. Simonas
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    Title says most of the question.
    Now I've been looking for cat designs (plans) for about 2 years, and what I see- all of them has pretty small bridge deck, I guess to increase performance. Why I'm not able to find anything in accommodation comfort like fountain pajot 44? Is it more difficult to design, or any other reasons?
    What I see in difference is hulls are much wider, than most of offered plans, and front window of bridge deck is vertical, what increases room inside. Doesn't look rocket science at first glance.
     
  2. Simonas
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    Simonas Junior Member

    79 people in this forum doesn't know the answer too. :)
     
  3. Corley
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    Less accommodation doesn't necessarily equal less comfort if passage making in comfort is the real goal rather than being a marina based floating home. Those vertical windows can slam violently in a decent sea and the low bridgedecks on many production catamarans are also very noisy in a heavy seastate. Most designers choose a balance that allows for better sailing dynamics rather than maximising accommodation.
     
  4. UpOnStands
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    Rather, 79+1 people are rather bemused. Want comfort? Buy a used FP 44 or better yet a 60 foot catamaran, any flavor.
     
  5. rberrey
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    I would say the same applies to Tri,s , you might look at older designed Cats like the Horstman Tristar line .
     
  6. Simonas
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    But doesn't "production designers" must follow the same rules?
     
  7. Simonas
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    Simonas Junior Member

    Sorry, but that didn't answer my question.
     
  8. UpOnStands
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    Designers sell what people want. Majority of people buying plans to build want to sail, its a private thing.
     
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  9. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Well, just look around, I think . . .


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  10. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Give the Parker 42' Sharpie Cat hulls some more freeboard, about 1 ½' I think, lower the Sharpie Cat house with respect to the new hull deck height, and remain the same height inside the house, but have gained height and top width + room and buoyancy in the hulls, style the Sharpie Cat house like the house on the Fountaine Pajot Helia 44 Evolution, stretch the Sharpie Cat hulls about 2 to 4', this is to gain buoyancy for the extra weight of the higher hull topsides and to keep DWL the same when measured from the hull bottoms, and you have pretty much the same thing as the Fountaine Pajot, and by doing so you also have improved the Parker Sharpie Cat a lot, I believe.
     
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    BTW, if want to build such a boat DIY, you have to spend ± 10% of your total life time to finish it, and this time will be taken from the best years of your life, and in the end you have also spend about the same amount of money as buying such a boat new turn key, that is if you're able to finish the project.
     
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    Another consideration for the Sharpie Cat is to give her deep V hulls, stretch the hull sides down till they meet each other in the keel I think, this would give some more wetted surface and so lower speed, but it gives also a bit more load capacity and you don't need any boards to provide leeway resistance, although this would turn it from a Sharpie Cat into a deep V hull Cat.
     
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  14. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    It looks like the 2017 US $ 419 K asking 42' Parker Sharpie Cat has yet to be built, which will only start after being sold I suppose, and then will take a while.

    The 2014 Fountaine Pajot Helia 44 asking US $ 474.5 K is joined by a lot of others there, those from the Carib might suffer from Irma though.
     
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  15. Simonas
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    Interesting though about years spent, when most of the people spending their 40 best years to work for somebody and do totally unnecessary work, from the global point of view.
    I mean, I'm not scared.

    To the topic: yes, I've never seen this design, but as You wrote, it requires quite lots of adjustments, and for me it's too complicated, as I'm not designer YET. :)
    Also I'm very interested who would put 400k+ of their money on sketches?
     
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