Who designed this Colin Archer?

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  1. Westernman51
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    http://www.yachts.nl/yacht-details-sail-18.026.html

    I find the yacht very attractive and would like to consider building one to a similiar design to this but may be a little smaller. I tried contacting GM Yachting but have not had any response from them.

    Any pointers to the designers of this one and similiar would be most welcome.

    Thanks.
     
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    Well I doubt it very much.

    All real Colin Archer designs were wood. 99% of what is tagged Colin Archer today has nothing to do with the guy.
     
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    It is not unusual for designs that were originally for wood to be produced in metal or FRP if you look at the web site link you gave, under design it says Colin Archer. Sure, someone reworked the scantlings for metal. that doesn't make it any less a Colin Archer design. They just redid the math.
     
  5. apex1

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    Yes Colin Archer did Colin Archer designs. No one else.

    But that does not look much like a original CA boat. (even redone for metal)
     
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    Popular marketing calls every heavy displacement double-ended sailing yacht a Colin Archer.....this particular boat may be a close adaption of one of Archer's designs....or it may not......the term has been misused so much it's become meaningless....

    What Westernman is after is who did the adaptation and what did they produce (plans hopefully) that this boat was built from. I would check with Vripack as they show at least 3 steel Colin Archer's on their current website (17, 18, 23m). I would also check with Dick Zaal and Dick Koopmans as well, both have done this type of boat and probably know something about this specific one.
     
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    Good find RHP.....

    This is interesting.....so far I can find nothing on the Danish Royal Family yacht Vesta, built 1892.....but the timing works for Colin Archer to have been the designer and perhaps builder?

    John Leather, in his book Colin Archer and the Seaworthy Double-Ender, does not mention the boat in his list of noteworthy CA yachts. There is mention of at least two yachts of a similar size, though Leather points out "None of Colin Archer's yachts was large - a favorite size was between 30 and 40 feet long." We'll assume Leather is referring to typical yachts of the late 1800's, often 100' plus feet long.

    The stem profile of Baltic/Vesta is also interesting. Most CA designs had a fair overhang to the stem, this hull shows almost a plumb stem. But Leather discusses a CA design called Storegut, designed and built in 1890, which exhibits this plumb stem style. Apparently she was regarded as the fastest of CA's small DE racer-cruiser's. Storegut was 35' by 11'.
     
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    I checked vripack - they are not quite the same shape.
    The one RHP found is 60ft - I have not heard of a real Colin Archer design of more than 40ft or so. Also the shape of the one RHP found is definitely along the lines of the one I was after - and I find the lines more attractive than the usual Colin Archer shape.

    I did come across a mention of Vesta too, but I too have note managed to find anything else.

    In short, I am looking for a designer for this kind of boat, in steel (that is another discussion), with a bermudan ketch rig with all mod cons.

    I love the gaff rig - I have a 52ft Pilot Cutter, but I can imagine the time when I and my partner can no longer manage that on our own and we will have to part ways.

    My partner is also a fan of things like freezers, microwaves, airconditioning etc. So a decent size engine room with space for a generator will be essential.
     
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    West...

    Leather mentions two larger CA yacht designs....

    The 1904 cruising and racing cutter Utowana, 58'4" LOA, 42'8" LWL, 13' 9.5" beam, and 7'10" draft...obviously not the Vesta type, probably not a DE hull.

    And the 1897 cutter Tatjana, built as Wyvern, a fast cruising yacht. 59'6" LOD, 53'5" LWL, 18' beam, and 10' draft.....sounds closer
     
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    Regardez vers Olivier F. van Meer.
     
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    You just gotta look harder guys.............

    'VESTA' - 69' 1892 Lautrup - EUR 650,000 (US$827,190)

    A cloak of mystery shrouds much of the history of this grand old lady and unravelling it has been a fascinating task. Undoubtedly she is a very old, Scandinavian with royal connections. For years she has traveled the Mediterranean sea and is currently taking her rest there. Vesta, a beautiful classic yacht, is believed to have been built to a design by Colin Archer, certainly in 1892 in the Lautrup yacht yard in Copenhagen, has been totally restored and refiitted in what is believed to be as near her original condition as is known. Her graceful lines and striking appearance always attract attention wherever she goes.
    Original drawings have been discovered with her original cutter rig, modified at some time in her history but now restored to its original glory restoring the grace and balance that proper rigging bestows. Her anchor winch is believed to be original and has been restored and upgraded as has the hull and all her machinery. Her hull is of oak which has worn amazingly well over the past century keeping its integrity against all odds.
    Her interior is however new with a more guest friendly layout with two spacious cabins each with a good sized shower/ wc, an improvement on the original design with four very small cabins which shared facilities. We hope that these changes are seen as sympathetic and we feel they are still in keeping with the yacht but take into account the modern needs of guests.
    She now offers two attractive cabins with en suite facilities plus crew quarters for two, a very attractive salon area adjoined by the newly fitted galley. A good sized chart table remains in the salon, with space the modern navigation station instrumentation to be added.

    All who visit Vesta leave with a feeling for the history of the yacht as well as the quality of workmanship as well as of the materials used, which have weathered so well and left such a legacy.
    believed that she was built for the King of Denmark and that Vesta was the flag ship of the Royal Danish yacht club until the mid 1960's. Her royal connection was further established by the silver plaques she used to have in her salon from many eminent royal family members. Her design is believed to have been by Colin Archer.
    Built of Oak, her hull shows little sign of the hundred and more years she has been at sea. During her career she has won a number of races testifying to her great design and balance

    http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Lautrup-Unknown/16254321
     

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    Thanks for that RHP. You are right - not quite the same shape. Thanks Tanton for the reference to Olivier F. van Meer - that is the kind of thing I was looking for.

    Still not the designer of the ship in my OP though.
     
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