Where can I find the type of ship?

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by sun, Nov 24, 2024.

  1. Herreshock

    Herreshock Previous Member

    Thats usually Popular mechanics magazine hype that scammed the boomer generation thinking they were going to change the world with technology, which has ended in people addicted to consumerism, credit payments, worthless and unnecessary jobs, etc

    The technology is there, plain old wood that today can be recycled and improve their qualities by applying building techniques as wooden truss core, plywood reinforced with hemp fibre, wood and metal composites, etc and we need to go a century back to refloat natural materials that were replaced by petrol nanoplastic derivatives and can maintain or waterproof wood

    I think sailboat design has peaked but there are new scow designs and i will upload one next week, current sailboats need to be refitted with centreboards to bring cargo to beaches, when petrol is gone sail will replace all current transportation again
     
  2. gonzo
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    If you want to troll with your politics, there are forums that will welcome you. Please limit yourself to boats and related technology.
     
  3. Will Gilmore
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    "Phenolic resins are a type of synthetic thermosetting resin invented by Dr. Leo Baekeland in 1907. The material was originally called Bakelite. This was effectively the first plastic to be sold commercially, and was typified by the old-style black telephones."
    thechemco.com
    "There were experiments with gluing plywood with phenolic resins, mostly in the form of an alcoholic solution or powder, which, however, did not provide sufficient accuracy of application. Around 1930 a dry process of gluing veneers to plywood with phenolic resin in form of a film has begun to spread in the production of waterproof plywood.[9][10]"
    Plywood - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plywood
    While ancient examples of plywood have been found from as long ago as ancient Egypt, real, usable waterproof plywood has never, that I know of, been produced without petrolium-based resins. Of course, with the modern advancement of chemical technology, we may be able to replace plastics with something that won't create a giant floating island of trash in the middle of the pacific ocean and still build a serviceable world for everyone, but I suspect we will simply have to learn to pickup after ourselves rather than avoid the mess all together.

    I apologize, @sun, for the diversion of your thread. These comments have no place here and I will stick to the subject of the thread from here on out. I can only hope others afford you the same consideration and respect.

    If you would, could you go back to @TANSL 's questions and give us more information to go on with regards to helping you answer your original question.
     
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  4. Herreshock

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    I have not referred to any single politic pseudo-ideology here but current society problems and technical solutions to overcome them besides a change in mindset and attitude and empathy.

    Maybe its you the only one doing campaign here for the current toxic, murderous and exploitative status quo
     
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  5. Herreshock

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    You are not diverting anything here but rather you are on plain target and showing petrol advertising bias.

    These phenolic resins are toxic in production, swelling and dont degrade creating nanoplastics stored in your body by respiration, skin absorption, etc after they decompose in a boat by the sun and temperature, as polyester fabric on clothes and boat sofa covering, polyurethane foam in the bed and sofa as well, boat paints or varnishes, all the boat synthetic ropes, etc. Also major sources of nanoplastics are car rubber tyres, building paints, plastic hoe irrigation, washing machines with synthetic clothes,etc



    And there's a variety of ancient components totally forgotten with plenty of specifications found in this material compilation book published free by ICCROM

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    Besides of that there are current chinese university plywood glued with sucrose and citric acid with similar specs as toxic petrol resins and if you were aware of the current reality there are plenty of universities across the world in africa, south asia, southamerica,etc publishing new plant based components for waterproofing, UV protection, fungal protection, glues, etc mostly in 2020s and you haven't heard it nor realised what you are missing


    And on top of that a wooden boat is not a thing you leave in the water, sun, ice, etc but well stored and maintained and the current practice of leaving nanoplastic paint crafts on the elements and go scotch free is totally irresponsible after decades of consumer carelessness advertising.

    Also there are new builders reintroducing wood as Paolo Bua and comuzzi and the EU alone wastes 500 million m3 of wood, that's enough to build 1 billion 7m LDL sailboats and decouple from petrol transport and real estate scam.

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  6. sun
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    sun Senior Member

    Thank you. Very honest advice.
     
  7. sun
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    sun Senior Member

    Sorry, my English is not very good, I did not see your question in time.

    When I was at the beach with my son, I saw many boats, and I told him about many boats, such as bulk carriers, passenger rolling boats, crane boats, tugboats. He asked me, are these the only four kinds of ships in the world? Of course not, I looked up a lot of information on the Internet, and I found that in addition to the conventional ships, there were many ships for new purposes, such as the ship transporting fruit drinks, the ship transporting paper pulp, the seismic survey ship "Chop Pepper Fish Head", the deep-water aquaculture ship JOSTEIN ALBERT, and so on. I wonder if I know too little and the knowledge reserve is far from enough.
    So, should I change my question to what new ships are in the world this year?
     
  8. sun
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    sun Senior Member

    There are too many ways to classify ships. My question is indeed problematic. Thank you.
     
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  9. TANSL
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    I think you just need to narrow down your question a little further. Types of new boats based on their size, shape, use, ......?
     
  10. Herreshock

    Herreshock Previous Member

    The new trend in boats this year is scows as these
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    And longitudinal symmetric hulls or round bow hulls as jeanneau sun fast 30 od and pogo rc

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    Pogo rc

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    They are copies of aeolos p30

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    The aim of these designs is bringing buoyancy to the bow so the boat doesn't nosedive and also a round bow doesn't sink in the water like thin wavepiercing hulls do, and the main con of scows could be slamming, depending of the design and sailing angle
     
  11. TANSL
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    Just so @sun doesn't get the wrong idea: there are also a few motor boats.
     
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  12. Herreshock

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    I never saw any of those since the last HEMP gift, don't forget to search the acronym lol
     
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  14. Will Gilmore
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    I have a friend who is retired from the merchant marines where he served as first offices aboard an LNG tanker between Japan and India. He use to say, "It takes balls to haul LNG."
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    Indeed, there are a lot of commercial vessels whose designs are specific to their jobs.

    I don't know what's new, but a lot of "Popular Mechanic" type articles have been featuring wind power, from crab claw rigs
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    flettner rotors
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    wind turbine drives
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    Horizontal or vertical
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    I don't know how close any of these new designs are to commercial viability. Many of the images, I think, are computer simulations, but I can't tell any more.

    These are exciting times with great change just on the horizon.

    -Will
     

  15. Herreshock

    Herreshock Previous Member


    Yes i fell for that too and have posted these boats plenty of times however I don't think transporting oil is a change and these are mostly 2012 renders used by oil Global warming criminals to keep selling the fake "greenwashing" transition just as now.

    We don't need oil, nor gas, nor transporting these commodities just growing green materials and food and producing biogas if necessary as backup of CSP solar cooking, melting, heating etc

    And even if we wanted to move that absurdity it would take few sailboats to move the same people and cargo as a 50000 ton ferry
     
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