Where and how much does it cost building there?

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  1. andreasmehlin
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    andreasmehlin Junior Member

    Where in the world is it cheapest getting a Catamaran about 46ft build.
    I have read about cheap labour in Brazil and Asian. Is the material also cheaper in these countries?

    How much would you estimate it would cost building a Schionning Cosmos 1320 or 1420 (standard equipped) in a low cost contry?

    Regards
    Andreas
     
  2. yokebutt
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    Andreas,

    Finding low-cost labor is easy, finding the neccessary skills, not so easy.

    My inclination would be to contact a few yards in South Africa. There are several reputable multi-hull builders down there and cost of labor should be a lot lower than Sweden. They do speak English, and the importance of a common language should not be under-estimated. And lastly, SA needs more export revenues from things other than just low-value unrefined raw materials.

    Materials will most likely not be any less expensive since they are predominantly made in industrialized first-world countries and exported, so it might just cost a little bit more with shipping costs included. On the other hand, few countries have the heinous 25% sales tax that Swedes have to endure.

    Lycka till,
    Jocke.
     
  3. Raggi_Thor
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    Poland and the Baltic countries are now EU members. That should simplify everything. And they speak English.
     
  4. andreasmehlin
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    andreasmehlin Junior Member

    One negative aspect building in Sweden is the high VAT (even called GST in some countries), 25%. If the cat excl VAT would cost me 200k AU dollar I would save a lot building it in a low VAT country.

    Another aspect is the climate, cold winter and need a good, isolated and warm shed. I don´t have a clue how much this would cost.

    Building the catamaran where the VAT is low and climate more suited, would save some money.

    Here´s some thoughts:
    Thailand - 8% VAT, low cost country so a shed and living shouldnt cost much

    Singapore - 5% VAT, dont know much more, plz tell me if you know

    Australian - 10% GST, good knowledge in the country, no expensive shipping though it´s manufactured here, good climate(I think), living cost?

    New Zealand - 12% GST,

    Regards
    Andreas
     
  5. FAST FRED
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    IN many countries any VAT collected on imported items is refunded for a vessel that is being exported.

    The STATE would rather have the yard working and the labor employed, than extract their piece of flesh on items NOT staying in their country.


    I too would love to find skilled labor to construct a 65 ft aluminum needle of a power cruiser.

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  6. Raggi_Thor
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    You have to pay swedish VAT (merverdiavgift?) when you import the boat anyway.
     
  7. andreasmehlin
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    Well, to be clear :)
    I forgot to mention that I concider building the cat by my own, in a country where I can save some money (and simultaneous get a culture exchange, something that changes my regular day)

    Edit:// and no..I do not have to pay the swedish vat, because I never gonna import it to Sweden.
     
  8. Raggi_Thor
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    OK, you could come to Trondheim :) We have the facilities and reasonable priced materials, 450g biaxial glass cloth costs 40NOK/kg (6USD/kg, 3USD/lbs), polyester costs 20NOK/kg, epoxy 80NOK/kg. Experienced boatbuilders will cost from 200NOK/hour while less skilled personal may cost 100NOK/hour.
    I guess the culture and climate (have been 11 degrees celsius and rain the last weeks) isn't exactly what you had in mind, though. And the vat is 25% :-(
     

  9. andreasmehlin
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    At the moment I think that I am going to build from a pre-cut-kit, which probable suits me more who´s inexperienced.

    I got some good information from Rob at Schionning. If I launch the vessel in Australia I can claim back the GST if I leave the shores in 60 days.

    Do you know if other countries have the same system?
    Regards
    Andreas
     
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