what to do with the deck.

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  1. whitepointer23

    whitepointer23 Previous Member

    I took the boat out for a sail today in the arm its moored in. It was too nice for working. Anyway i ran up the mizzen sail and the main jib just to see what jib and jigger is like. Now i am sold on the mizzen , so happy i didn't remove it. It was so easy to sail , when the bow started to fall away i let the jib sheet out a bit and pull in a bit of mizzen. After a while i found i could trim the mizzen and the tiller would steer straight without me near it. After i get the deck finished it will be time to hoist the main and see how she goes. The mizzen is great, i even managed to reverse the boat quite a distance by holding the boom out.
     
  2. PAR
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    I told you . . . welcome the joys of a divided rig.
     
  3. whitepointer23

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    Thanks paul . I know what you were talking about now.
     
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    You can look like a real sailor if you learn how to back her out of a slip, then fall off and scoot way. Wait until you learn how handy the mizzen's location is, when you're looking hang a hammock. Yeah, tie one up, grab the tiller extension and a beer in the other hand, kick back and relax. There's more to a ketch than first might appear.
     
  5. whitepointer23

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    Yes, its funny i thought it was a pain having an extra mast until i tried it and realized how good it is . The other thing i noticed was i don't like the high part of the cabin. Instead of raising it to make a hardtop dodger it would work better to cut it down to the same height as the front cabin and get a new folding canvas dodger made .
     
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    Does anyone have a good idea for a home made mainsheet traveller. I want to make 2 travellers instead of buying expensive tracks and cars.
     
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    I'd be trying to keep it simple, like using a fixed point and have the option of strong points along the deck edge to set a preventer. You see some pretty simple pipe horses on older boats, they often dont give much adjustment especially compared to the wide travelers you see on a modern boat.
    Jeff.
     
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    You can make your own, but unless the boat is small, you're better off with a real track and cars setup, because the loads can be tremendous. On the mizzen you can use a split sheet with a block on the corners of the transom and an "up and back" arrangement for the tackle. To be honest, I don't think you'll ever sail the ketch hard enough, to warrant the need for a traveler.
     
  9. whitepointer23

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    I am Not sure what a pipe horse is but i did think of a length of 22mm stainless pipe with a sliding ring on it to attach the sheet block and a cam cleat at each end with 6mm rope to lock the ring where i want it. Does that sound feasible.
     
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    That sounds like it, just thinking of one of our yachts at work, Kathleen, has pretty much that but in gal across the front of the cockpit, trying to picture has either a bronze or nylon insert maybe. Depends on your fabricating skills. Stainless ends up much the same as steel galvansied without the hassle of drop off/pick up. some 2.5mm 316L coated electrodes go quite easy downhand & you can get small packs, about 50 for a kg, stainless isn't that dear, I just picked up some 50 x 6 flat x 4m at about 84 a lengthor with some carefull zip discing you can take to a fabricator for $ or cartons..

    Some boats just use a rope or wire bridle for the traveller- bit "messy" though.

    Twin mainsheet systems have had a bit of discussion here also, never tried one though.

    Jeff.
     
  11. whitepointer23

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    Thanks jeff I am used to stick welding stainless . It might be the way to go , nice and simple. Read the twin sheet thread, seems like a lot of gear to play with?
     
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    If I get near Kathleen G tomoz I'll shoot a pic, I think it's got a bit of curve in the top... but surprised at how little details dont stick!
    J.
     
  13. whitepointer23

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    I don't think i will sail it hard enough either. Its just to get a bit more adjustment when cruising. I can make it plenty strong enough. The mizzen sheet runs off the end of the boom so there is quite an angle back to fixing point on the transom. Thats not very good is it ?.
     
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    That would be good.
     

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