What is this???

Discussion in 'Metal Boat Building' started by fewfish, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. fewfish
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    fewfish Junior Member

    I don't know... I would like to find out who makes these floors and ask.

    The other pictures of the same yacht show very good craftsmanship and precise planning. This yacht was built in Netherlands by professionals.
     
  2. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    its a sad commentary on the quality of the labor available when you have to forgo expecting them to understand the blue prints and make such a detailed layout. Begs the question why'd you hire them in the first place.

    My general contracting days are over, thank all the gods, now I just work my own projects. But I to have seen just about anything cut to shreds by some fool somebody struggling to run a wire, or sweat a pipe. Built a log gazebo once, precut all the routs for the electrician so he'd not butcher the work. What did he do, exactly that. Then said "sorry, must have missed the note on the prints". It was on the top of every page of the electrical contract. We fired him and I fixed it myself under his license ( commercial job you know ). I must have a hundred horror stories but I gotta admit, I've never seen anyone print out the layout full size and paste it to the floor. Now thats called, not trusting your guys.

    Yikes
     
  3. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    It's not a said commentary Dan, it is the natural evolution of labor.

    A few hundred years ago, you had a master craftsman design something by eye. No one else knew how to check it, if it was sufficiently strong enough, if it was well suited, etc., they just had this person's well compensated word that it was. Then sponsorship insisted on verification and justification. This forced specialization. The need for engineers, designers, application specific engineers, application specific workers exploded.

    Now you had electricians, plumbers, fitters, designers, etc., not some guy that held his thumb up and said "a little more to the left". Continuing this evolution through the mid part of the 20th century was more specialization, until this became unreasonable, so engineers developed easier build processes, to remove the increasingly more costly variable; labor.

    Material costs are whittled to the minimum, within structural restraints. It doesn't take a master craftsman to lay 'glass in a mold and since these are the ones that will eventually be placed in the fit out room, installing pipes, wire, etc. you have to work with what you got and more importantly spend on what is reasonable. Simply put, you can hire a crew of pipe fitters from the local and pay out the nose or you can draw up a set of cutouts, that a blind monkey could follow and hire JimBob and JoeLarry off the laminating floor to do the job at 1/3 the price.

    Now you're the businessman, you make the decision . . .
     
  4. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    I tend to hire my unemployed neighbors and friends who for the most part actually know what they are doing, but don't make the cut for exactly the reasons you've specified.

    probably one reason works so slow for me at the moment, although I've got enough connections in Denver now I can just about always find work, its just not always in my field.

    oh well, the times they are a changin and I've just got to roll with the punches.
     

  5. shakey78
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    shakey78 Junior Member

    Wow all these replys and no one knows what it is, its called form Ply its been CNC cut and allows you to pull sections out as needed when installing walls pipes and other stuff,
    its like a giant jigsaw puzzle.

    I have seen it on very large ships but not many as it is another cost as form ply for a sheet generaly cost $80 to $100 per sheet 2400x 1200x 18mm.
     
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