What is this hull worth?

Discussion in 'Projects & Proposals' started by parkland, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. parkland
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    parkland Senior Member


    Alright, so being that I'm in manitoba, I'm at least 1500 km from any notable boat yards that would have any selection of those types of boats.
    Just travel would add up, so my circumstances are much different from someone who lives in a port city.
     
  2. Petros
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    how are you going to use a boat like that if you are 1500 km from a port city?
     
  3. parkland
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    Theres LOTS of big lakes here !!! :)

    In fact, that boat has never been in salt water.
     
  4. Petros
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    since transportation costs are such a large part of the cost, you will have to use a different way to determine what is the best way to go. Also, when it comes time to sell it, how difficult will it be to find a buyer where you are at? If there is a market for such a boat where you are at than you have some added value since it will not have to be transported there. OTOH, if there are few locally that would want such a boat, than you have to transport it back to a port city to get it sold. This could should also be considered.

    You have a few options;

    Option 1. Buy a seaworthy boat ready to go from afar, and have it delivered.

    Option 2. Buy a boat to restore, or as in the you are considering, to complete, including the cost of transportation.

    Option 3. built it new with locally supplied materiasl (as much as possible).

    You should about double the estimated cost of restoring or rebuilding an existing hull, or building a new one. Also your time involved has some value as well, so figure that too, plus what I call the "hassle factor".

    One other option: Move your residence to a locations where boats like this are plentiful. Than you save transportation cost!

    and of of course you can also give up on the idea and just find something locally that you will be happy with.
     
  5. parkland
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    This is my favorite.
    If only I didn't need to keep my job. :D
     
  6. parkland
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    Looking at the props on the 1st page, does anyone have a general idea what pitch or type they are?
    As of now, this plan could still be going forward.

    My plan is to use 2 dt360 engines, bell housing adapters, and 2 zf 63A transmissions.
    Those transmissions are supposed to be good for a ton more power than those dt 360's can put out, so there shouldn't be an issue there.

    The transmissions come in 2.5:1, 2:1, 1.2:1 etc, I'm just wondering what would be roughly the right ratio.
    I'm guessing 2:1, 1000 RPM = 500 rpm prop speed, 2000 RPM = 1000 rpm prop speed.

    Those engines are rated 185hp, 445 TQ @ 1750 RPM
     
  7. viking north
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    My first impression is this is either a special purpose build or a back yard modification. Don't know about anyone else but to me she looks top heavy. Other than a special purpose mod. those extreme downangle drives are nothing but damage waiting to happen and wasted fuel begging to be burnt . Hell would freeze over before I'd ever buy it but say I did see the devil skating, my first changes would be to lower that wheelhouse and cut away those monstrosity drives, install a shaft tube out thru the keel and run her with one main engine and a bow thruster.
     
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  8. parkland
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    It was originally a fishing boat, and I believe the hold would have been in the center/ bow, so the back would have sat high. Taking that into consideration, I don't think the shaft angles would be that terrible. Now that there wouldn't ever be that much weight, I would probably modify a bit to change the angle to something less extreme.

    I wonder how hard it would be to install a tube through the keel in front of the rudder? I suppose it depends on the construction. I'd definately consider doing that myself.

    As for the wheelhouse height, it does sit high, but there is a full height level beneath it, so the only way you'd lower it is if you sacrifice headroom somewhere.
    The lakes this boat was used on, are way bigger and dangerous than what I plan on, so if it hasn't sank yet from tipping over, hopefully it doesn't lol.
    It was built in riverton, manitoba, and they have built many many commercial fishing boats, and seem to be reputable.
    I don't think they fitted those drive shafts on it.


    It was built in 1990, and doesn't have any bad rust or anything.

    I see potential.
     
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    viking north VINLAND

    If you're determined to have a go at this monster-- because she is built in steel modifications like modifying the wheelhouse and installing a shaft tube in the keel are within reach of most hands on type people. Since it was factory built it should have been an engineered hull and as such any lowering of top hamper will certainly not reduce her stability.Keep in mind that she was designed as a fishing vessel and as such most likely machinery, ballast tanks, fuel tanks and so on would have been taken into account in her stability specs. The golden rule of advise on this forum has always been hire a surveyer to look her over, Get as much paperwork on her as you can then hire a designer either part time or full time to aid you in her conversion. A combination designer/surveyer/builder would be the ideal person to have a look and give you both a feasibility and financial projection. It would be money wisely spent preventing a possible dream becoming a nightmare. --
     
  10. HakimKlunker
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    HakimKlunker Andreas der Juengere

    0.- $ (or any other currency)
    On first sight it looks instable (But perhaps it is stored upside down?)
    There is a reason why it is for sale.
    Try and get some design background of it - it doubt that there is one
     
  11. parkland
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    "There is a reason it is for sale" - If we kept saying that, we'd never buy anything except brand new ?!

    What do you mean by "instable"?
     
  12. rberrey
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    I dont think you could build the hull for $10,000, new material.But I would sit down and price out all fit and finish. I doubt you can get her back in the water for just another $15,000. Rick
     
  13. JSL
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    If those props are brand name & mn.bronze, they are worth more than the boat.
     
  14. parkland
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    HAha, I'd be happy if they were just good enough to use lol.
     

  15. parkland
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    Heres what I'm thinking:

    Hull price: 3000$
    Moving:4000$
    Sand blasting 3000$
    Paint 3000$
    2 used low mileage running dt360 engines : 4000$ for both
    2 new marine transmissions rated up to 800 ft lb : 4000$ for both
    2 200 l fuel tanks & low pressure fuel pumps : 1000$
    4 new marine starting batteries : 500$

    total 22,500$

    Rudder and steering controls : ???
    Engine / transmission SAE housing : ???
    Mounts for engine / transmission : ????
    Engine controls and gauges : ????
    And there will be renovations, wiring, lights, etc etc, all kinds of stuff.

    So if I buy and get it moved this spring, I'm thinking once I throw 20,000$ at it, with a bunch of elbow grease, and smart purchases, I should be pretty close to having a nice big boat in decent shape.

    I know you can buy a decent boat for 20,000$ - 30,000$, but I doubt you'll find a 50 ft boat for under 60,000$ with brand new paint, barely any rust, low hour diesels, new transmissions, all new parts etc.

    Those dt360 engines can be rebuilt for 1500$ for a "works" kit from international. They came out of trucks or buses, and you can easily find them with 50 -80,000 miles on them for a few thousand bucks.
    They regularily can hit 400,000 to 600,000 miles without touching.
    They are very similar in size to a 5.9 cummins, but are all mechanical, more reliable, stouter, and wet sleeve.
     
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