What Do We Think About Climate Change

[slobbering]Mooooooseburgerrrrs!

 

she is your queen, not mine

 

Bullwinkle must be spinning in his grave.

 

I guess Rocky saw a horror picture show.

 

Nobody shoots the bull like Pelosi, though.

 

No. As I just told you, it's 28% -- not 40% Those are the latest figures available. As a matter of fact, the figure dropped .1% from the year before.

And the unionized federal workers are generally the lower-paid foot soldiers -- what people like to call 'menial' workers. Maybe folks who believe unions are the problem should be looking at what the non-union workers make, instead of beating up on cafeteria workers and janitors.

 

if they did we'd be over run by them and short on ammo

 

ah
the article was from the wall st journal and it says 38% as of 2008 with a sharp upward trend so two years later I'm guessing its in the 40% range

from NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html

also this from
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/jobsemployment/a/unionwages.htm

were are you getting your numbers from ?

then compare the basic average wage and we start to get a picture of were the fat and waste is in this shoddily run govt of ours

while you certainly may be right about the majority of the union workers existing at the lower end of the pay scale within the average gov pay rate ( I have yet to find those numbers, its a pretty fine hair to split ) but at the same time the average pay is way higher for all govt employees when compared to comparable jobs in the private sector.

therefor given the examples of history our best hope for a speedy recovery would be to emulate our more successful actions of the past, which in this case included loosing some dead wood.

means we all end up with more money to spend ( less taxes ) and those of us who do actually produce something are more likely to keep our jobs

as it is we are replacing productive jobs with people sucking on the govt tit and being paid by the taxes of people who are unemployed or it going to the national debt, neither of which is a viable solution

I say we pare down the gov, reduce taxes, end pay outs to oil companies and corporate farms and the like and quite catering to foreign govts like China

just a few wild ideas
its not like there is anything to really worry about
the corporate oligarchy is so well entrenched there is really no saving it no mater how logical and simple the solutions really are

all one has to do is understand the lessons of history and we have most of the solutions staring us in the face already, what works and what doesn't

I sometimes wonder if this whole thing wasn't orchestrated just so that even more money could be concentrated into the Fed

cheers
B

 

It was orchestrated so that even more union dues could be sent to the DNC.

 

I'm getting my number from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and it's something I already knew. Union officers keep track of numbers like that, and I learned it at an executive board meeting earlier this year.

Here's backup on my numbers, from the Washington Post:

The percentage of union members in the federal workforce essentially stayed flat in 2009 compared with the previous year, although the number of union members on the federal payroll grew slightly, according to figures released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Twenty-eight percent of federal workers were union members in 2009, compared with 28.1 percent in 2008, the agency said. The number of unionized workers climbed slightly to more than 1 million, versus 994,000 the year before. The number surpassed the percentage growth because the federal workforce grew by more than 50,000 in 2009, the bureau said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/24/AR2010012402764.html

 

ya thats another one that need addressing

corporate, union, church, special interest interference in the workings of govt.
it all needs to be illegal

I was kinda under the impression the term "representative democracy" was intended to mean that the "people" were the ones being represented not the corporations.

oh well
I must have misunderstood that part when they were spewing it in class

 

i personally prefer a certain amount of inefficiency in gov

ants, bees and termites have absolute efficiency in their societies i'll (donner) pass on that kind of efficiency

 

thats crazy Troy
I wonder why there is such a disparity between the numbers

I didn't go cherry picking my quotes or anything I just googled "most union members" and thats the first one that popped up

crazy
I wander whats up
I even made it a point to corroborate that number with a second site that said the same thing and again it was simply the next one I looked at

hmmm
if you figure it out keep me posted cause I hate the confusion
obviously we are both people who like to try and get our facts straight

 

Corporations, unions, churches... they're all comprised of people. Everyone is a 'people', and everyone is a special interest. Why should it be illegal for people to band together and make their voices heard? Put some common-sense rules and regulations in place to keep things honest and above board, and let everyone talk.

But I'm not buying the Republican notion that money equals free speech, and therefore donors can give politicians as much free money as they want.

 

it's not money for free, they want a return on their investment