What Do We Think About Climate Change

A little of the history as recorded by the Wompanoag might go a long way in this conversation

Deal is there are many vastly differing views of the history and its only through a close comparison of as many primary sources as can be found that the reality of those early days might be hashed out. The history that emerges from the consideration of multiple sources is simply not the hunky dory lived happily ever after that some folks seem to recall from there grade school classes

anyone remember the poisoning of Massasoit's son Wamsutta or that the first thing the colonists did was rob graves and get driven back to there ships by angry native people.

and another excerpt

Keep reading Troy
just keep reading

 

Global Warming

Thanksgiving is to White Folks what Kwanza is to Africans of Colour.


A lot of cultures Slaugther the Village Animulas and harvest Roots and drink Wine & Beer made from the fruits and Grains.



Kinda like Festivus for the Restofus



More Proof that GLOBAL WARMING is

 

Give it a rest, Boston. Thanksgiving is over.

Next year you can go back to celebrating it by telling folks what monsters and scumbags whites are -- and I'll continue to celebrate it by enjoying a family get-together, and giving thanks for my blessings.

 

Oh, stop crying. It's your own fault for taking this forum so seriously. Wipe off those huge tears and relax a little. You keep trying to instruct the world and tell them what to think. Or, maybe, it's just that you like the look of the letters you write and feel empowered.

Whatever it is, nothing will happen in this forum. If politicians cannot fix the world, what makes you think you can do it here...?

Drop the posture and have more fun.

 

Umm...nothing needs to 'happen,' and there's nothing for politicians to 'fix.' And I don't think I need your permission to sound off, here or anywhere. Matter of fact, I've noticed that you generally do more than your share of sounding off and carrying on, whether others like it or not.

 

I didn't mention scumbags or monsters either Troy, You are insisting on reading into my statements things reflective of your own views. What I am saying is that the history of events typically taught in public schools is bunk and that the true history is somewhat less than stellar. The holiday is typically defined by a rather unrealistic view of the relationship between the two groups and I find the holidays to be an opportunity to discuss the actual history of events

for instance the first contact between the colonists and the Native Americans the native Americans ran away

this is an excerpt from the Bradford diary so not much arguing with this one

The Natives ran away and the Colonists new they were robing graves and this, before the colonists ran out of food from there provisions. My point is that its a fallacy to think that relations were all peaches and cream when in fact the Natives were very well aware of the slave traders and distrusted the Europeans who's first interaction was one of grave robbing. Its not a pretty history but its the way it happened. Through an understanding of these early years its not to difficult to paint an entirely different picture of the relationship between the early settlers and Native Americans than the one typically presented by the mas media who seems hell bent on pretending a history that never existed.

I could go on and on as I have a pretty good grip on this end of history, however if you prefer to drop it, I think I have stated my case in fairly unequivocal terms and hope that now we understand a little better what the holiday represents to each of us.

cheers and best wishes
B

 

Yeah, that was a blank. Matter of fact I do not cry over what other people think about my comments. I express my opinion, unlike many around here who shoot at others when they dislike what they read. I do not go after a person. Instead, I go after an opinion. You, on the other hand, do tend to patronise people who too sound off, as you put it poetically, but to your credit, do it in a less personal (rude) way than some others.

Although, when you slapped me negatives recently, you did want to call me a *******, but the way you wrote it ("here's my name, *******." - remember that?) came out the wrong way for you. Was a good laugh though. Thanks for that.

And no one ever said that you, or anyone else, needs to ask a permission from me, or anyone else, to say what they think. I am perfectly happy with you "sounding off", just remember that the same applies to everyone here.

Even me.


Ok, where was I?

The climate...Ahhh, what better proof that the current climate is all man-made than another capitalist country bankrupting!!!

Go European tiger, Ireland!!!!!

Another failure of fallen ideology. The economic climate is just beginning to heat up. The list of candidates to follow is long and illustrious.



(how'z dat for sounding off?)

Now excuse me for a few days, I 'ave a very successful biznes (of course, after all I am a communist, I know how a real economy should work unlike those ******** in governments bankrupting or falling into the abyss unstoppably) to mind.

 

As for the other climate, if anyone still remembers what is this useless thread about, Brian Eiland has proven above and beyond ANY doubt whatsoever that the climate warming is human made.

He has got a really nice picture to prove that the heat is purely human made.

Look at his post #4839 there

 

You're beating a dead horse, Boston. Every single person I know was taught in school that a lot of Indians got a lot of raw deals in this country's history, despite your claim otherwise.

No one is pretending history didn't happen. You're the one pretending; you're decrying a cover-up that isn't there -- and wasn't there even fifty years ago, when I was in school. We learned about broken treaties and massacres clear back then.

And when you post non-stop about the horrors inflicted on Indians by Whites, while refusing to acknowledge there were times when Whites acted admirably and times when Indians acted badly, yes.... you are depicting Whites as monsters and scumbags, whether you use that exact wording or not.

It's as clear an example of reverse racism as I've seen, and I'm done with it.

 

Get over yourself. Some negs are coming your way...

 

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding concerning my thanksgiving post. If you read my original I wished a happy thanksgiving and suggested that those who do not know history are destined to repeat it. The implication being that the hunky dory relationship presented by the typical anglo north american concerning the first thanksgiving here on this continent is somewhat misleading.

I was promoting a discussion of the actual history and for good or bad I guess I got one.

I can continue presenting elements of this past within the historical context and eventually a picture will present itself of the events of the day. Unfortunately there are always those who prefer to ignore the actual events. Yes some few of the Native Peoples took pity on the Europeans however the simple fact of the European plagues that has swept the land clear of a significant number of the Natives was the primary factor in the survival of the colonists. Which was my original point.

cheers
B

PS
Diego I gave you a few points just cause you a good sport and seem to at least be trying to understand what I'm saying. That and I didn't mean to start anything that might cost any of my friends for there participation regardless of there position on the issue.

PPS
I'd do the same for Troy so just relax on the points issues ok

 

again from the Bradford diary we can see that the Natives avoided contact for about the first six months and the Colonists continued steeling from them and there houses

after which they were driven forcefully from that area

 

Plymouth Rocks.

For those of you whom have never visited this glittery mecca of the Pilgrams let me tell you that there is nothng so invigorating as walking down a dusty old trail covered with oyster shells whil the smells of sheep & straw thatched huts waifs into your mind like a amfora of delight.

The smell of the crisp ocean air and the visual delight of the Nuclear Power plant are riveld only by those sights and sounds encoundetd in old Salem Village after the bars close ech evnig while the soot from the coal plat at winter island settles delightfully on your deck as you bob peasefully off the willows.


Those Pligrams were Forced to eat Lobster almost every day by the native indians and all they had to discuse the taste were tankards of Mead and loves of homemade bread with fresh churned butter.

Thankfully those Pilgrams have been evacuated to Amish county and can continue their woodworking hobbies and eat corn.

PS: The Native Americans want to to come get that big Rock that you left behind. Must have fallen off the Mayflower.

 

Boston:

Interesting reads. Thanks for posting them.

One random comment I have is about Plymouth and Plymouth Rock itself. I'm not sure how many people here have ever sailed into Plymouth, but there is one very strange thing about it...

There are NO ROCKS!

The entire area is sand, sand, sand on the bottom, on the shores, everywhere you look. Makes you wonder what really happened when those pilgrims came to the area. Almost certainly, the couldn't have hit a "rock."

Also, as you come into the large, open Plymouth Bay, you see nothing but sand dunes.

 

Jeez, Bos - First time in months looking at the climate change thread and MasStupido is still carrying on like somebody gives a crap about his communism and you're still railing about the plight of the Indians.
Will this native thing go away before the government gives them what is wanted? BTW, what do they want?
Do they want more land? Rumuneration? Like Germany and Japan, they want the government to take money from my family to build your economy because yours lost the war? They want the federal government to build military bases on the reservations and free the natives up to build thriving economies? (somehow I don't think tha'll work) Or do they just want to blame somebody because, when they lost the war, they became depressed and submissive, thus starting the cycle of dependancy and poverty we see today. I propose that the proud people there either fix the problems of the reservations internally (I don't know how - get advisors) or similate into the general populous. Selling no-tax tobacco and casinos are not going to bring the natives back to greatness. It will have to be something else and times have changed so much I cannot imagine what that could be rather than hard, hard f'ing work and educating the youth better than the typical non-native kid. (that shouldn't be hard) You don't have to teach them that they are different, abused, oppressed, or anything else - just teach them smart (In other words, not like public education today - tailor the education to the child -some children ought not waste time in school, so use the education resourses for those that best utilize it , how they will best utilize it). In a few generations, the natives will own everything sea to shining sea outright.
At least it is obvious that "climate" is not even worth discussing on a climate thread anymore. The whole damn thing goes away in ten years anyway- either you're right, man caused the climate to change and you can say "see!" or didn't and we can stop shoveling valuable resourses away from stoking the fires of creativity and prosperity.