What Do We Think About Climate Change

just because the climate is consistently getting warming doesn't mean it's changing and just because we are dumping all those warming pollutants in the air doesn't mean we are responsible

somehow that makes sense to some people

 

here's another article confirming a warming trend in the worlds major lakes

http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=01039561287

whats most interesting is that we are not in a particularly active phase of the sun nor are we in one of those pesky el nino years either

kinda frightening given we are coming into both and just after experiencing another one of the warmest year on record

 

Those lakes would cool off if all the tree huggers would quit peeing in them.

 

true tree huggers pack out there pee

 

This is the fundamental error in your consideration of my previous statements. I was merely pointing out that we celebrate different holidays and that the holidays you celebrate often have an entirely different meaning to us than you. By understanding both cultures its easier to understand the different viewpoints of various historical events. By "getting on" you imply something must be left behind, I prefer the benefit from both elements of my history

some of us embrace our heritage others ignore it
the real question is
which are you

cheers
B

 

i'm a righty i have a made up cultural history

 

No, you weren't 'merely pointing out that we celebrate different holidays.' Or if you were, you were extraordinarily clumsy about it -- because the very clear implication of your original post was that Thanksgiving dinner is some sort of victory feast, celebrating the downfall of American Indians from Massachusetts to Mexico.

That isn't what Thanksgiving is about, and that's never been what Thanksgiving was about. What part of 'giving thanks' and counting one's blessings don't you understand?

It isn't necessary or productive to come up with a melancholy dirge just because you see the rest of the country enjoying itself.... and I'm willing to bet the majority of Indians and Hispanics (around here at least) sat down to a Turkey dinner this Thanksgiving, just like the whites did.

When I tell you to get on with your life, I don't mean for you to ignore your heritage. I mean for you to get over wallowing around in the injustices of the past, and get a little more involved in shaping that heritage today and tomorrow.

 

and is not heritage shaped by the history of its own past, your having real trouble understanding the opportunity that holidays offer for reflecting on our past. I prefer to embrace the entire history of events and not simply pick and chose what's worth celebrating and whats not. Its important to realize that some holidays came with a price.

If you had sat down with some of those native americans of which you speak you might have found that the dichotomy of experience always exists in there minds on these kinds of holidays

I cant help but notice that the one other guy with a native american background is the one who seems most offended at the mere mention of an alternative view of the hunky dory relationship between the pilgrims and the native peoples. You might read up on the origins of the holiday in the US as apposed to the simpler concept of it merely being a harvest celebration, with special emphasis on the fact that without the native people to show the colonists exactly how to plant what and where there would have been no harvest. They threw a feast dinner for the same natives that would eventually be nearly wiped out through a multitude of means. Seems reasonable that we remember the entire history and not simply the convenient pieces of it. Yup its a day of thanksgiving but its also a great day for reflection. As I said, those who do not remember the past are destined to repeat it.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g007.html

 

"If I had sat down with some of those native Americans of which I speak"?!?

Oh please, Boston.

Dude, I have cousins in the Cherokee Nation, outside Tahlequah. I also have relatives in the Choctaw Nation around Lake Texoma, although I haven't kept in contact with them the last few years. I lived with a Shoshone for three years; I went out with a Crow from Wind River for a couple of years; and when I was roughnecking on Oklahoma oil rigs my main squeeze was a Kiowa. I worked, drank, fought and slept with Indians all over the country, before I got married in my forties and my wife nailed my feet to the floor.

I'm not trying to out-Indian you -- you're the professional Indian here, not me. But I have been trying repeatedly (and apparently futilely) to explain that I'm not just some ignorant white cracker who's clueless about Indians.

Now go get all activist on someone else, OK? Thanksgiving didn't come with any more of a 'price' than any other holiday. Despite what you want to believe, it's a harvest festival, with some cutesy traditions about Pilgrims and Indians attached to it.

If you truly know your history, you should know the original Pilgrims never went to war with anyone; they lived in peace with the neighboring tribes. They invited them to dinner, and even intermarried with them. They're hardly the symbol of death and destruction you're trying to paint them as.

You must be loads of fun at rodeos. Do you sit around gloomily carrying on about how it might be a fun time for others, but to Indians it's a white tradition rooted in the destruction of the buffalo and the subjugation of the tribes?

 

At no point in this conversation did I mention the words cracker or clueless, what I did suggest was that for some of us certain holidays are more of a time of reflection than for simply stuffing ones face.

there is an intrinsic benefit in remembering all and not simply the parts that we are comfortable with

 

You are a homicidal, hate mongering racist who hates white people or anyone different from you. "but hoy everyone is different than me

and white people are ok, they are easier to shoot in the dark"

 

how about if we just kinda tone it down a bit
I know there have been a few painful losses lately but stuff like that is hardly helpful Hoyt
might want to take a moment, my take on Wardd's comment is it was meant in a spirit of humor and you might just be taking it a bit seriously

peace people

B

 

Telling us we have a made-up cultural history is to denigrate European and American history and my ancestry all the way back to Pepin the Short and before. Maybe somebody else needs to back off on his insulting stupid remarks.

Honk!

 

You don't have to 'mention' the words, Boston. You've been trying to talk down to me like I'm lily-white and ignorant and I've never known any Indians. You continued to do so even after I pointed out that I have Indian blood and Indian relatives, and that I've been around Indians off and on my whole life. "if I had sat down with some of those Native Americans of which I speak," my arse.....

The reason you aren't 'comfortable' with Thanksgiving is because you're projecting something into it that isn't there. It's a simple, innocent holiday -- and I prefer my turkey served without a side of racial guilt, thank you very much. I also enjoy Oktoberfest without any references to Hitler, and St. Patrick's Day without remembering the atrocities committed by either side during the Easter Uprising.

There are plenty of other days in the year for reflecting on man's inhumanity to man; I see no point in wasting a holiday doing it.

 

but hoy everyone is different than me

and white people are ok, they are easier to shoot in the dark