What Do We Think About Climate Change

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by Pericles, Feb 19, 2008.

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  1. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    Wardd you need new shoes. The poor duck :D
     
  2. hoytedow
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    He'th thuffocating him!
     
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  3. wardd
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    wardd Senior Member

    can't tell the difference's between a duck and a goose, it seems ducks and geese are smarter than you
     
  4. diegokid
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    Money

    It's all about putting money in someone else's hand, thats been taken from my hand and your hand of course.:mad:
     
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  5. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    Its all about pollution and who should pay to clean it up. The corporations who made hundreds of billions dumping it or the consumer who was offered no other option by the corporations. Which begs the question why are not our governments ensuring that we have safe alternatives
     
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    Money
     
  7. troy2000
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    Because government interference with corporations doing whatever they want to do would be big government... and big government is evil.:(

    And I'm sure it would also be socialism....:rolleyes:
     
  8. catmando
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    I've seen lots of talk from the cold earthers, but very little substance. The facts are that the ice is melting at both poles, calving off huge icebergs which drift out to sea and melt. This is slowly raising sea levels. The Arctic ocean's ice cover is melting, causing the temperatures to rise because the dark ocean traps heat. The permafrost is melting, threatening to release millions of tons of carbon, methane and other dangerous hydrocarbons.

    If Pericles, or any other cold earthers in this thread, have any trends that show the reverse of the points I mentioned above, by all means post them(yes I know the eastern Antarctic is getting colder, but so far that has not influenced the world's climate). In the meantime, I will continue to believe Al Gore's inconvenient truths.
     
  9. Knut Sand
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    I believe we're on the same side here, but just a tiny correction here, The north pole ice area is on water, melting here will not rise the water level, the same thing, mostly in the south, most of the ice there, that has gone, is located in the water, will not cause the water level ti rise. There are some that are of the opinion that the Antarctica land area is stable (with regard to ice), or even increasing its ice content. On the other hand; other land based glaciers are thinning, and they are numerous, here in Norway, most seem to be thinning... And of course, methane released from permafrosted land, will not help the situation. CO2 is reaching interesting levels, CO2 is also increasing in the sea, which is in my opinion a solid proof that increase in the atmosphere isnt caused by release of CO2 from the ocean; then its pretty "safe" to assume that we, and our lifestyle is a part of the equation...

    Several years ago, I was of the opinion that whatever we do, we couldn't affect the climate in any significant way, just the local pollution (that should be avoided too) was something we could affect, was my opinion. My personal "change" came when listening to a radio program, a ocean orientated scientist was interviewed by a brainless reporter, the scientist was worried "on a scale 1 to 10" at the level "9" (rising water temperatures) the reporter was babbeling of longer bathing/ swimming season here in Norway. Both guys irritaded me... Then I calculated some/ took some calls, checked some temperatures, did some calculations, the numbers in my uneducated and rough estimate scared the **** out of me. I traced more of these fellows that record the sea temperatures, called them... (the beauty of internet..) One guy was truly in the mood to kill me, safe distance is a bliss.. (New Zealanders doesnt know that they're on the wrong side of everything, so they have this strange issue of not beeing in the correct time zone...), he still stated something very similar to the others, in general, in that area, sea temp is rising. I was just going for the sea temperatures, as air temperatures, in my opinion will be more unstable, for a rough assumption like mine... Energy to rise the temp 1/10 of a °C in one kg water will rise (approx) a kilo of dirt/ soil by 1 °C. So, water was the interesting part for me, also covering 70% of this earth... Well, the "calculations" is in one of my early posts here... They are wrong, as in they can't be correct, but in my opinion rough calculations can be used to show a trend. If we're to wait for all numbers/ factors to be 100% correct, we're probably looking back at what happened...

    I once stumbled across a (motorcycle) crash site, I arrived on a motorcycle, it was time for a small pause, no traffic, curious (as always), I didn't know what had happend, almost all of the debris was gone, one lonely fellow was walking along outside the road, in the terrain outside of the road, a little underneath from the tarmac. I asked him "what you're looking for here?" "parts and marks, mostly marks" he said, "any kind of marks". He then stopped, looking straigth at the bark of a Pine... Grinning like a child at christmas morning, pulled a knife, picked out a small white object "tooth" he said "now... I'll know _exactly_ the speed he had when he went off the tarmac" looking up at the edge of the road a small distance away. Looking back, will always be the most exact/ correct science, but it's not always a pleasant experience to collect the raw data for the calculation... Sorry for the disgression....

    You'll still find me in the "better safe than sorry crowd", somewhere....

    Edit; in my rough calculation, I was looking for the (lack of) balance in heat input vs heat loss, from the ocean area, I was first wrong, and way off target, by a factor of approximately 1:4, (I got only 25% of what the climate panel are assuming...).
     
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    Of course the ice is melting. It's always 90 degrees there.
     
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    volcanos

    So all the volcanic activity going on has nothing to do with it? We also know that some of this land wasnn't under ice at other times in history. We also know the middle ages was much warmer than this. The one that gets me the most on this science is the 70's. I remember the impending ice age that was coming. It was going to happen and we couldn't stop, we would all freeze. I've done my part and it looks like we stopped it!

    The main thing that affects heat is that big yellow thing in the sky. Better yet if you think man is the cause why don't yawl get together and give all your resources to fix it. Don't take from my family to fix something that isn't broken.

    Other thing that really ticks me off is the lack of developement of the use of natural gas for automobiles. It burns clean and makes 98% of the power of gasoline, its cheaper and the engine lasts 3to4 times longer. So why aren't yawl screaming about this?

    Alcohol is terrible, costs more and takes a lot more. If you are a recer you can make more power with it though. Built an alcohol engine once, had to go from a 76 main jet to a 134 and change a lot of other rubber components.

    Don't even get me started on electric or rechargable battery crap. Most of the people here live 45 minutes from work, not feasible.
     
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    Volcanic activity is not causing climate change.

    The fact that some areas weren't under ice at other times is irrelevant. Once upon a time the Earth had no oxygen in the atmosphere either. Does that mean it would be a good thing if the oxygen today went away?

    The Middle Ages were not much warmer than this, overall. The Medieval Warm Period was a localized European phenomenon

    There was no general scientific agreement that the world was facing an ice age in the '70's, backed up with data and research; it was basically idle speculation being hyped by the mainstream media.

    Your self-centered argument about fixing it without affecting you has a fundamental assumption: that there's no problem needing to be fixed. You want to do nothing and feel nothing-- and if you're wrong and the rest of the world fixes the problem without you, you got a free ride.

    You're overstating the virtues of natural gas engines, and ignoring the fact that it's also a non-renewable resource.

    Your neighbors drive too far for batteries to be practical? So they shouldn't buy electric cars then. But half the workers commuting to work in this country spend less than half an hour a day, total time there and back.

    Nothing you stated as a fact about climate change is in fact true....I think you need to be a little better informed next time.;)
     
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    Catching Fish

    One thing boats are used for is fishing, you guys are so easy to catch.:)
     
  14. troy2000
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    As you may have noticed: the arguments against climate change tend to be so preposterous that it's hard to sort out the ones where someone is pulling our leg. I discovered quite early on that a lot of folks I thought were writing satire turned out to be dead serious....
     

  15. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    agreed
    some of the stuff you hear out of the deniers is just amazing
     
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