What Do We Think About Climate Change

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  1. juiceclark

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    bntii wants us to change his mind...because he knows GW is a scam. But to believe it is a scam would discredit all the socialist blowhards who are so popular with the MSM these days. It's not easy when you finally reach a level of learned intelligence that reveals false idols. Truth is often ugly and sad...but the alternative is a false world. It takes courage to see the truth in a blizzard of BS.

    bntii, let them go man...they are voodoo dealers of death. Those that promise to make the world fair and green if only you sign over your freedoms of self-determination are the only ones who can insure disparity and third world poverty for all but themselves.

    --what's a "numpty" anyway?
     
  2. Meanz Beanz
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    Pommy slang yah daft Septic :p

    1. Someone who (sometimes unwittingly) by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others.
    2. A good humoured admonition, a term of endearment
    3. A reckless, absent minded or unwise person
      1. "No. That wisnae wit she meant, ya big numpty!"
      2. i.e. "Silly billy", "You big dafty"
      3. "That numpty's driving with no lights on!"
     
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    wow...almost like English.
     
  4. safewalrus
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    safewalrus Ancient Marriner

    More like American, it originated with the Military, yep we still have a few out there, helping you out when we can, showing you how it should be done when we can't! Trying to prevent as many clusterfucks as possible, watch that weather Chuck, not me, or it will bea complete clusterfuck ya numpty! Stay safe you hear!
     
  5. bntii
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    I don't know Jimbo-
    Who do you think Mcleans target audience is in this piece?
    He seems to be just arguing for lessening/altering our criteria for the discernment of informations validity...

    Peer review is not as I see it a measure of "truth" is a scientific sense. It is only a gatekeeper for acceptable methodology. Established scientific truths are developed by the findings in question being assimilated into the field of study- or not- as the case may be.

    This is from 'Peer Review and the acceptance of new scientific ideas':

    "The peer review of scientific papers submitted to journals for publication has a widely proven
    record as a means to test the plausibility of new findings. However, scientists never regard peer reviewed
    research as beyond criticism. Peer review of a paper is just the first stage: a hypothesis
    that survives this first test must go on to be re-tested, and judged for its coherence with work in
    related areas."

    Thomas
     
  6. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    sometimes.....
     
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    Scottish actually...
     
  8. Petros
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    Warming Consensus Shattered (essay)

    Warming Consensus Shattered
    by Dennis T. Avery
    Issue 114 - August 20, 2008

    http://acuf.org/issues/issue114/080817cul.asp

    The “consensus” on man-made global warming may have received a mortal wound.

    Physics & Society, The journal of the 46,000-member American Physical Society, just published “Climate Sensitivity Revisited,” by Viscount Christopher Monckton. Monckton is an avowed man-made warming skeptic, and former science advisor to the late British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. (If you want to see the science, go here: http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

    Viscount Monckton contends that the climate alarmists have mistakenly pre-programmed their computer models with equations that overstate the earth’s sensitivity to CO2 by 500 to 2,000 percent—thus creating a senseless First World panic that itself threatens the future of society.

    Physics & Society says: “There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for the global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution. Since the correctness or fallacy of that conclusion has immense implications for public policy and for the future of the biosphere, we thought it appropriate to present a debate within the pages of P&S.”

    The journal then offers both the Monckton paper and a response by David Hafemeister and Peter Schwartz, of the California Polytechnic Institute. P&S also issued an open invitation to “further contributions from the physics community.”

    It had to happen. Too much evidence has mounted against CO2 as a cause of the modern warming. Sea ice is expanding globally, not retreating (especially in the Antarctic). The oceans have stopped rising, and actually started to fall; that might be because they “stopped warming 4–5 years ago” according to NASA, based on data from the 3,000 new Argo floats now scattered world-wide. The number and intensity of hurricanes, cyclones, and tornadoes hasn’t increased. Rain has returned to Australia, reminding us again it is naturally the driest continent on earth.

    The crowning blow: After nine years of non-warming, the planet actually began to cool in 2007 and 2008 for the first time in 30 years. The net warming from 1940 to 1998 had been a miniscule 0.2 degree C; the UK’s Hadley Centre says earth’s temperature has now dropped back down to about the levels of 100 years ago. There has thus been no net global warming within “living memory”!

    The current cooling doesn’t mean another Ice Age is looming. There is massive global evidence of a 1,500-year warming cycle, going back 1 million years. It may be driven by the slightly varying distance between the earth and the sun. The sunspot index has had a 79 percent correlation with the earth’s thermometer record since 1860, during this time, the temperature correlation with CO2 is a dismissive 22 percent.

    NASA’s Jason satellite tells us the Pacific Ocean has entered a cool phase. Historically, these have lasted 25–30 years. After that, there may be some additional warming. However, the 1,500-year cycles typically shift abruptly; we should already have most of this one’s warming. When we’ll get the inevitable cooling? Probably centuries from now.

    The warming debate is far from over, but an actual debate looks likely. Reputations and huge bundles of cash have been bet on man-made warming, including billions in government funding for climate research. The UN’s reputation—and perhaps its future—are on the line.

    The American Physical Society itself has issued a statement: It stands by its belief that human-emitted CO2 is “changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the earth’s climate” and notes that Physics & Society is not peer-reviewed. Nonetheless, the debate is finally and openly joined, after 20 years of the Greens proclaiming humanity’s guilt for wrecking the planet as beyond sane discussion.

    Now, we look forward to a full-scale exploration of the science. We have heard quite enough from the computers.

    DENNIS T. AVERY is a senior fellow for the Hudson Institute in Washington, DC and is the Director for the Center for Global Food Issues. (www.cgfi.org) He was formerly a senior analyst for the Department of State. He is co-author, with S. Fred Singer, of Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Hundred Years,
     
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    Some say that, but can 'ee prove it, might it not be an Englishman in Scotland after all we have a few garrisons up there!
    Mostly full of local troops 'o course but hey they mix well
     
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    You know Knut thats an idea of sheer genius! would solve a fair few problems
     
  12. Knut Sand
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    Figure this; Ben Nevis...... Solo, Autumn/ winter, stumbled across some local blokes, I said; " you got some lovely mountains here, in England"..... I suddenly grasped the full scale of my terrible mistake, when I realized they were, without a word, rigging a climbing accident.....

    And I sort of screamed; "Scotland, Scotland" and got away with it... After agreeing to buy a round at the pub later.... Actually it ended up with a bit more than one round.....

    But I got the Spaniards out from there....Alive.... Nanananana....!:D
     
  13. safewalrus
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    What mistaka to maka! you don't want to make those sort of mistakes too often Knut, the locals up there like to blame the English for everything, trouble is the English don't know they are being blamed, what for or even care really; mainly 'cos they don't understand the strange language that the Scots are attempting to speak - actually most of it is a bastardised English :)which don't help the situation
     
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    My girlfriend says I speak "basterzied" American English. :) Of course, "they" are always right. Sets my Viking blood to boiling at times. I tell her; I speak Appalachian Mountain Hillbilly, pluss American English, and am therefore bilingul. She speaks six languages, so I have to defend myself!
     

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    masalai masalai

    Memorise a good GB dictionary and thesaurus and correct mistakes....?

    My chocolate wrapper says - - "never go to bed angry, stay up and fight..." (for the last chocolate)

    and "everything changes, but don't expect any change from a vending machine..."
     
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