What Do We Think About Climate Change

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  1. bntii
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    deep sigh......

    no- its not sailing I'm in for today.

    Bolting a 40' rubbing stake back on some clients boat- a thankless task...

    Deep sigh..
     
  2. Meanz Beanz
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    So is it bad or good... keep it simple, its late! I mean this guy was eating it? It can't be all that much of a bogie if he was having it for horses-duvee's, no? yes?... now I'm confused again.
     
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    It IS bad for some birds

    It is not all that toxic to humans- I would not eat it to prove a point.
     
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    Hi again Heinz, maybe it only had a small portion (enough to allow detection by the distinctive smell)...... - I will not test his claim - ever.... It is certainly very effective at killing the anopheles mosquito, which the females are the blood suckers and hence malaria carriers (I was in PNG when DDT was still in common and regular use)...
     
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    I don't think I'd be temped either....

    So was it worth banning or is it just some political beat up? How many birds? Can we use it in a way that doesn't stymie birds? Questions questions... yeah yeah later I know... gotta go bolt a boat together... god speed and all that...

    Night all!
     
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    In life we must be able to distinguish between sources of information.

    If you wish to understand science- go to the source material- study and decide for yourself.

    If you wish to simply listen to editorials on political blogs, you will get a bias to the stance held by that blog.
     
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    CYA, sleep tight, don't let the bugs bite, spray the walls with DDT & you'll be right?

    well put bntii, - - - - niters all....
     
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    Everything is linked, can we ever truly say we understand the full effect of the things we do... best endeavours and all that and don't get hung up about it I guess! Upsides, downsides... leaves me upside down. :D
     
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    Be the optimist (I was going to say "downside up" but that is gloomy also).... I try to do what I can and enjoy what I've got....
     
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    You have touched on the heart of this issue.

    Choices.

    Cost.

    This is the key importance of this debate- factual assessment of cost to the environment must be reviewed to arrive at sound policy decisions.


    Climate change anyone?

    If anything this foray into DDT should indicate to all viewers how simple issues can be confounded by political debate.
     
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    Same can be said of the argument that won the day... nothing is free of political bias, less and less so science these days being the funding ***** that it has become... to be pure it needs to be obscure, unpopular. If the subject is contentious even the science comes under a cloud... and then if there is money & profit involved... what is "right" gets murkier.

    Some one said we could have have saved millions of lives, was it hundreds of? anyway LOL that's just what the planet needs more people! The facts and what is the "right" decision are two different things.. all depends on your values and moral frame work. Do we still think it was right? I have no idea... I'm still hooked up on the cheap eating the stuff stunt... you can do that, gawd if you'd have asked me that I'd gone for probable death as the outcome... yech!
     
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    Being an ape I do upside down quite well...
     
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    Oh yeah....
     

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    Shuttup ya' damned Hippies

    Recent genetic testing revealed the Micmac Indians of Newfoundland are of Egyptian decendancy. We knew this and could read it after the "Rosetta Stone" because their writing is/was nearly identical to Egyptian hieroglyphics. In decifering many of their ancient scratchings, there is constant mention of civilized people living in what is now the "grand banks" fishing grounds. Mentions of a large city, fortifications...it's all there if you'd like.

    Sinclair's maps of Greenland in the 1400s shows rivers where there are now glaciers. In fact, so do the ancient maps showing the complete coasts of North and South America well before Columbus' lil' trip. Was the little ice age enough to grow all that ice? Will it matter when the next Krakatoa kills well over a billion people of starvation?

    So, you ask, what's the point? The point is we don't know a damned thing. Moreover, you'd have a better shot at the truth asking a street corner drunk than those who rely on government grants for a living or the most vapid and shameless grad school flunky in America, Al Gore. Pollution is not good. The nasty cloud belching from SE China puts a little color on polar ice that helps it melt. But to fall for the new religion those that want to rule the world have created to further corral the masses is just stupid.

    What's with you baby boomers anyway? I thought you always wanted to "fight the power?" Every crazy and restrictive law the encroaching gov't passes in the name of something green appears alright with your gang. But greenies are just big government socialists in LL Bean clothing their Mommy bought them for Christmas. You used to drop acid and have an orgy in a mud puddle and now your kid goes to jail if he has a beer on his breath. Your goose and gander are all screwed-up!

    Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs
    Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
    Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign

    5-man Electric Band, 1970

    Manatees are delicious and nutricious!
    JuiceClark, 2008
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