What Do We Think About Climate Change

I like this graph much better, nicer colours too. Boston, I finally learned to post pictures, not thanks to you I may add despite asking for help many times.
No matter I feel as much accomplished as a Dane neighbouring a windmill....woshwoshwoshwoshwosh

 

ah the faith based approach

and can you come up with any archeological evidence to support that Exodus event noted in your last

cause it seems to me that in "The Bible Unearthed" Silberman and Finklestien (both with outstanding credentials) the case is obvious that there was no exodus and the Hykso's or early jews were a rather primitive mountain tribe living in the mountains making up the rim of the Canan valley area.

the simple reality is that the latest posting by the deniers does not in any way support a 60 year cycle within the measured rise in temps in recent times nor does it refute the idea that its the rate of change that is so alarming and not the fact that change occurs

in fact since the latest graph from the deniers is detrended it specifically (and somewhat deceitfully) is incapable of depicting this most critical issue of any discussion concerning the crisis we are facing.

 

God bless you Boston, you have managed to say there was no jewish exodus and that wer are facing and alarm of biblical proportion all in one breath of hot air.

Refreshing!

The bible unearthed...wow!!

 

its a very well researched book by several well qualified individuals

it leaves off the bias of faith based science and sticks to where the research leads

verry interesting stuff if your faith is sufficient to realize that the religious mythologies of the past are there to help followers reach a place of greater spiritual understanding rather than to be construed as fact

as such they would hardly have a place in a purely scientific conversation regarding the realities of today's climate science findings. The graph you presented listed the exodus as a marker for a particular time frame, both the event and the moment in history attributed to it by secular research is highly doubtful as is the graph itself. Being detrended it is incapable a addressing the major point of our conversation which of course is that the rate of change within the system has been seriously effected by mans recent alterations of the atmospheric chemistry

 

How true, however you keep on posting stuff about a religous cult, and vituperating about the devil CO2. Your cult requires as much faith to be belived as the most wild of religious belief, let alone the old testament.

As I have noted before, this is a religious debate and as such has no point whatsoever.

Do you have a recipie for smoked salmon?

 

a religious cult ?

and what religious cult would that be

smoked salmon eh

slice a large fillet into 2 inch strips across the length of the fillet
rub olive oil onto the skin side ( leave the skin of course ) and chili oil on the fleshy side and place them about one inch apart on the racks ( rub down the rack with some olive oil or it will stick )
lightly smoked for one hour at 200° over a pan of boiling water with a fist full of Alder wood chips. I use a charcoal fired smoke oven. At about 50 minutes into it throw one or two thin slices of Alder directly onto the coals to finish the glaze on the salmon. I aim for about 5 minutes of smoke and a final 5 of just steamy heat

I check up on how things are going about every 15 minutes or so, the water pan needs to be boiling and you should never let it run out of water. At only 200° if you do need to add water boil it first and then poor it in or you will get a drop in temp and screw up the process.

Funny thing is its not the size of the pieces determines exactly how long to leave them in the smoker so what I do is use the whole fillet and check to see how the thicker pieces are doing by eating the thinner ones from the tail sections. they seem to cook all at about the same rate anyway so its a pretty good indicator if the thicker ones are done or not.

if you do hit it just right the thickness doesn't matter to much

you can eat raw salmon without to much trouble if your into sushi so its a perfect way to check the other pieces without digging into them directly

if you get it just right you dont cook the oils out of the fish and it just melts in your mouth, the skin should peel off easily and the flesh should be still oily and glistening
if you over cook it its obvious cause it dries out and if you under cook it, its also obvious, but sneaking up on just right pretty much requires that you eat a piece or two to see how your doing, at least untill you get the hang of it

sometimes I roll the pieces in cracked pepper before I smoke them but some folks seem to have trouble with large pieces of pepper so today for my buddies send off I didn't use any pepper

cheers
B

oh
a cheep smoker works just as well as an expensive one if your only aiming for a few hundred degrees
mater of fact its hard to get my new one up over 200° although it does stay at that temp pretty well for a good hour and a half with one load of coals in it

give it a try
its easy and tastes really good once you get it down

ps
200° works great for fish but you want 350° for ribs, steaks things like that
the best cheap smokers for that kind of stuff are gas fired and cost about $50 more than the charcoal fired ones

I'm thinking of converting my new one to gas optional cause I want to try some smoked buffalo, elk, antelope whatever
but I need it to stay at 350° consistently and I haven't been able to get it to do that no mater how I set up the draft

 

Hi guys. Happy Memorial Day. Hope you have a good one. I have to take some folks out on the boat so we had our "party" last night and tonight - no BBQ this year!
Checked the Drudge this morning and came up with this; http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians - It seems everybody is a little on edge and it might be a good idea to think about slowing down...at least on this day.



Oh...one other thing. It has come to my attention that Isreal has taken up whale, baby seal, polar bear and general cute marine mammal torture in the most vile and repugnant manner and I was wondering if some of the more enlightened here might know how to get this distressing news to Sea Sheperd. I think I have next season figured out for them! Thx

 

Uh... that's our turf... Not the Israelis' they can stick to piracy.

 

Mark775,

Are you curious about what one of your favorite big European companies (Siemens) says about wind power? Here is a quote at the head of the third page of their brochure about onshore wind turbines:

"Convincing performance
Onshore wind power, the most familiar form of
renewable energy, faces bright prospects."

 

I've always thought that the wind farms are an eyesore, a more consistent form of this technology is tidal power, the turbines are far less conspicuous and the tides are far more reliable than wind, as well as being in a more dense form of medium so the whole thing can be more compact

makes sense to focus on bang for the buck at this point and given vastly larger amount of materials that go into a large wind generators than go into the tidal generators that combined with the reliability of the tides vs vagaries of the wind it just seems more economical in most regards to aim for tidal generators

my two cents
B

 

Although my opinion on the aesthetics of windmills differs, I can respect an opinion that does not like the aesthetics of wind mills. (That even goes for you Mark.)

I also agree that it makes sense to look into tidal power. However, as with anything it also has its disadvantages. It is reliable, in the sense that it is predictable, but it is not always available because the tides are periodic. Therefore, like wind power, it needs backup power generation capability somewhere on the grid.

It also has the disadvantage that it is only available on the coasts, and probably not at every coastal region either. To some extent this can be overcome by connecting tidal power to the electrical grid, but in that case one must also be aware of power losses in transmission lines. Nevertheless, I see tidal power as a potentially useful component of a multi-pronged strategy.

I do have some concern about environmental impact. I don't know enough the environmental impact of tidal power to have an informed opinion, but I worry that if tidal power is over used it could sap the energy out of the tides (it must, if it is used to generate power), and a possible consequence might be the attenuation of the tides, which could be harmful to life in the intertidal zones.

 

Wind is fickle, tides are guaranteed, and totally predictable. However windmills are far less of an eyesore than the Gulf blowout, or the Exon Valdes spill. Never heard of a wind farm blowout or spill.
I find the wind generators quite graceful and beautiful, but nowhere near as reliable and predictable as tides..

 

If the climate hadn't changed there would be no petroleum. It is in the nature of our planet to have climate changes.

 

Gonzo, you can't have a more deep thought,

Daniel

 

It is in the nature of man to die, too. But I feel no need to hurry nature....