What Do We Think About Climate Change

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  1. spearaddict
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    Considering we have carbon-dated rocks and other materials, it is widely known the Earth is not 6000 years old. Aside from that little flaw, creationism can't be called a theory because there is no way to disprove it. It isn't that we just don't want to hear about it, it is just not a solid argument. A theory needs to be able to be disproved to be considered a real theory. How can one prove or disprove a supernatural being that never reveals itself? You can't. And it is really annoying to keep hearing about this "agenda" we have, we don't an agenda. Doing the things we would like to have done would hurt us just as much as it would hurt you, so it makes no sense to say that we will somehow become billionaires if we force people to lower CO2 emissions. There are like 5 people maybe that may profit from it.
    I think it is funny how you guys keep saying to us that we aren't seeing past the lies and deceit of the scientists, yet you accept some bloggers description about a worldwide plot to enslave everyone and begin a new world order...Looks like somebody's been hitting the old crack pipe.
     
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    God knows you've tried.

    bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla...

    yawns and beeps,

    yawns and beeps,

    boring alarmists,

    give me creeps.

    beep and yawn,

    beep and yawn,

    alarmist bore stay off my lawn.
     
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  3. spearaddict
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    Look up the definition of theory. If it cant be disproved it is not a theory.
    Well I hope you will like the Florida 10 years from now if the Oil and Gas companies have their way. Oil rigs as far as the eye can see anywhere along the Gulf coast. Will sure help the economy around here, what without all those damned tourists coming because the ugly rigs sitting within sight of the coast.
     
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    Global Warming/Climate Change Hoax

    Hi Pericles,

    Deforestation notwithstanding, the equatorial rain forests are growing FASTER in
    the presence of higher concentrations of CO2. Nature has a built in
    regulator. Imagine, ALL life forms exhale CO2 because we are, ah-hm, CARBON BASED LIFE! Now, call the basis of life a deadly pollutant and pimp the world into paying taxes to fund their ideas of global control.

    Cheers,

    Hisflyingtune (Steve)
     
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    The idea of radio carbon dating anything to "disprove" the creationists has its limitations. It would be far more honest for both sides to say that we just don't know.

    For example, one must ASSUME that the rate of decay has always been the same as it currently in order to say that that the the earth is billions of years old & etc. It doesn't matter which radio isotope one uses for dating purposes.

    However, by how much does the law of entropy change this? WE DON'T KNOW! It CAN be on the order of several order of magnitude.

    Example #2: The only known "constant" in the known universe is the speed of light being +/- 186,200 miles per second in a vacuum. If one ASSUMES that the speed of light has always been the same as it currently is, then one can say that the observable universe is 15 to 17 billions years old.

    Again, however, when entropy is factored into the speed of light, the speed was faster in the past. How much faster was the speed of light in the past?
    WE DON'T KNOW. It, too, can be by several orders of magnitude.

    It is sheer hubris to assert that we know anything about the age of matter or of the observable universe.

    It would be uncommon integrity for both sides to say: "WE DON'T KNOW."
    I enjoy reading the science of both sides. What gripes me is the arrogance on either side. I get weary of the lies of omission. What each side does not say is equally as important as what each side does say. Tell the truth: WE DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!
     
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    And here is a recent study by Duke University that completely disagrees with your hypothesis.
    http://www.duke.edu/~feeley/feeley.etal.2007.decelerating%20tree%20growth.pdf

    Here is a quick excerpt that sums it up:
     
  7. Boston

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    seems like we have enough trouble just dealing with climate change
    maybe we should leave the religion out of it

    in short creationism got its clock cleaned in a landmark court case which defined creationism as "not science"

    you may listen to the judges ruling here

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoEDlPph5Vw

    and therefor I would have no comment on someones faith in a religious concept

    The idea that rainforests are growing faster in a co2 rich environment is just pure bunk. The adverse effects of altered rainfall patterns and higher temps along with diminished sunshine and changing growing seasons as well as deforestation more than offsets any short term benefit as the plants soon become accustomed to the levels of co2 and stabilize there growth in long established metabolic rates.

    cheers
    B
     
  8. Hisflyingtune
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    Religion?

    Non-theism, secular humanism, & etc. is it's own world view/religion. One's belief system however it is defined is "religion." This is what is so eloquently defined by Shaffer's "How Should We Then Live?" One's view of science is controlled by one's world view. It is inescapable. All sides demonstrate hubris!
    One cannot, as it were, leave "religion" out of it because whatever one chooses to believe is that individual's religion. Belief is based on choice. Choice is unavoidable. One's belief or religion is inescapable regardless of whatever
    nomenclature is used.
     
  9. Boston

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    one can most certainly leave religion out of it

    religion is based on mythology, even my own !!!

    science is based on data, hypothesis and theorem

    the two are diametrically apposed

    one clearly is a construct of the imagination

    the other is clearly a construct of hard won data and builds upon established physics

    attempting to equate one to the other reveals a lack of comprehension as to what science is

    let alone what the scientific process is from which we can predict and accurately the outcome of our actions

    sorry but there is no comparison between religion and science

    cheers
    B
     
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    I question your premise. It's based only on what self can perceive or interpret.
    Man is finite and has his limitations. There is an entire metaphysical world underpinning our experience which contravenes man's being the measure of all things. I'm not trying to deify religion or science. I wish to find the common points which harmonize. There's far more data out there than any of us will ever know. As Robert Louis Stevenson wrote: "The world is so full of a number of things, I'm sure we should all be as happy as kings."

    I greatly enjoy these exchanges. They are a meal for the mind as it were.
     
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    You are right. If it can't be disproved, it is not theory. It is fact. I have advocated drilling the Florida Gulf Coast for nigh on 40 years.:D
     
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    And that is why I am glad you are in the minority, my friend. Floridians know how detrimental to both the economy and the environment oil rigs would be. Plus, we won't see a drop of oil coming from those rigs for at least 10 years after the plans start. You obviously don't give a hoot about the environment or any of "gods creations".
     
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    "gods creations".


    ...depends, which God are you referring to......

    mine, yours, theirs, his, hers or its.
     

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    I guess I am referring to hoytedow, as my "god" is on a permanent vacation in Margarita-ville.
     
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