What Do We Think About Climate Change

Hey Gully, thats the energy we use, not what we leave behing to make that use....

I believe there may be a difference to that, and what it may imply the the climate change. If I remember correctly there's a forcing in heat input caused by greenhouse gases around 1,6-1,8 W/m2 (I'll try to look that one up). And that's far more than the energy we use...

 

Two points I would like to make about this posting:firstly if the planet warms up it ought to expand.If the mineral part expands at a greater rate than the water,the sea level would appear to drop.Second,the rivers of the world discharge billions of tons of sediment into the sea each year quite naturally.All of us on this site should have a good understanding of what happens when you add a volume of any material to a body of water.

 

I can relate to that.... This night we had -12,8 deg C..... AND humid air from the sea..... In times like these, even I, say; "Global warming, my arse"....

But CO2 has its "mechanical" properties.... AND we keep putting it out there, we have a recorded increase of CO2 in the atmosphere and the ocean...

 

Knut, comparing the glaring omissions,subterguge, faulty data, and fraud of the Mann graph to a manner of presenting evidence is akin to equating Nazism with legitimate political parties.

Here's a new post from JoNova that gives some quick answers to basics and even addresses Boston's irrelevent permeability nonsense..........


http://joannenova.com.au/

 

Wow - look where Wet Feet is from! (East Anglia,England) My response, sorry, is "Huh?"

 

Wow, someone from the very heart of the Global Warming Swindle! (sorry wet feet, I'm not blaming or attacking you, just joking ).

Have you read this interview to Nils-Axel Mörner?
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles 2007/MornerInterview.pdf
Or watched this presentation?
http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/Morner.INQUA.2.5.ppt#269,1,Diapositiva 1
Some interesting graphs there.


Cheers.

 

Wow, talk about having your cake and eating it too! If the ocean rises it is because of warming, if it drops, it is because of warming. Obviously one symptom of GW is a peculiar lack of oxygen in the East Anglia which makes for some entertaining logic!

 

Thanks for the links Guillermo,some interesting material at both sites.The use of physical measurements rather than reliance on computer modelling seems to lead to very different conclusions.As I have over the years lost contact with the only man I knew with a degree in geophysics,I have no idea what the coefficient of thermal expansion is for the planet and it would be interesting to know if any visitors to this thread can provide an answer.

I am glad to see that somebody has picked up the point that whatever happens to the climate,the global warming industry assumes that they have the correct answer.Unfortunately my near neighbours have been found to be adjusting the data to produce the answer they needed.

 

Feet, I'm not a geophysicist, but I very much doubt that the worst warming predicted by the most hysterical alarmists would lead to measurable thermal expansion of the crust. They are only talking about a few degrees at the surface and since rock and earth are good insulators, the change will not go very deep so the average temperature change of the entire crust will only be a fraction of a degree.

The same would be true of the oceans as well, I imagine. Only the surface would warm so the average temperature rise would be a small fraction of a degree. The predicted rise of the oceans is not due to thermal expansion but due to the addition of more water from the ice caps.

 

You started this 'tiff' by as much as calling me a liar and fraud. Though I did NOT deserve that treatment from you, because in the end YOU were wrong both in your assertions on the point, AND in you accusations about me, nevertheless I did not ask for an apology; I do not need one; I can defend myself well with a counter attack, as you now know.

So when you are attacked in kind, with ad hominem attacks just as you gave me, them you lay down and play the injured party. Or as you like to say, you do what you do best, which is to become a cry baby.

Any more crying to come?

If not, try to answer my assertion about the MWP, WITHOUT resorting to the works of "The Team", the only papers that cause the miraculous disappearance of same.

Good Luck!

Jimbo

 

Wow...I never thought of that! The planet warms up, the soil and rocks that contain the ocean expand and therefore increase capacity, so water goes down.
If such fat chance had even a possibility to be true, would a variation of a couple of degrees in the athmosphere change the average sea levels? What nonsense. For the earth to expand and contain more water it is the water that has to heat up as well, and not only the surface but the whole thing to the bottom of the ocean floor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we must worry about a couple of (fictional) degrees of warming. We should expect massive drops in summer and floods in winter. This is in the same league of the claim that global warming will affect the rotation of the earth.
The other nonsense that the sediments from the rivers will fill up the ocean and make it overflow, does not even deserve as second thought. It is in the same league of those who claim that population growth generates downward pressure from it's weight and make the earth sink.
I think that the Al Gore supporters should sing up with Hollywood and write science fiction disaster movies. They would make a lot of money.

 

Right, here is the god's own son talking here. Just replace my name with yours and you'll, finally, get something right.

I think that Masrapido nailed your deceitful behaviour perfectly. One day you are from one place, the next you are from another. From Mexico to Alaska.

So much about being the example of the justice and innocence.

Not to mention your heavenly way of insulting people you know nothing about.

 

In your blinding rage you are confusing me with one of your spit-exchanging brothers in idiocy. I never called you a liar and a fraud, not even insinuated. I simply gave you the link to your own government's site that contradicts your statements and details how little of the money collected goes to supposed recipients.

Not responding in your fashion to your senseless swearing session is "crying" for you?

Just another display of your childlish stupidity.

My goodness, am I now insinuating that you might be stupid for claiming that I called you a liar when I did not?

No.

I am telling you that you are stupid.

But, since you are soft enough to feel hurt by the truth, as previously demonstrated, feel free to keep crying. Mark will offer you his shoulder, and there will be surely others who are as demented as you are and will step in to tell you how you are the good boy.

Go on now. Keep crying and claiming more nonsense that I must have told you in your dreams when you wet yourself in bed.

 

The insinuations in these statements are obvious to anyone reading them. If you are not even man enough admit the intent, then there can be no civil discussion between us.

Jimbo

 

What civil discussion? This thread has nothing to do with civil. This is a riot and everything goes. The mob runs the streets and trows stones at the shops windows, pinches a TV set and keeps on running. The old lady walking her dog is run over and trampled, the two intelligent looking guys in suit and briefcase having a debate about climate change are bashed and robbed. A car set on fire whilst the school children run for cover. The teacher screems ... the sky is falling the sky is falling, the mob replies ... WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!

Mark775's alter ego
Oh stoppit

PS
Senad, you would be a good candidate for the experiment with negative numbers reputation. I have this theory that if anyone gets to -1 reputation he will dissapear into a paralell dimention, the negative dimention. You, with reputation 5 come very close. Can I try? You don't mind?