What did we don't understand that they did?

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  1. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    :) - Thanks for info Ilan [​IMG]
     
  2. Ilan Voyager
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    Ilan Voyager Senior Member

    You're welcome.
     
  3. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    Skoit Jonathan, in 1981 completely professionally built by Jan v.d. Weide in Stroobos, a Dutch yard of good repute, now based in Tázlár Hungary as Nautic Vision.
    (a Skoit is a by Henk Lunstroo jr.RIP designed center board Schooner)

    A lot of 2003-2004 work to bring this in 1981 well built Skoit back in like new condition: Page 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 . . :idea:

    And then in 2007-2009 the parts they skipped, see the pics 24 to 32 there . . . :eek:

    A boat = work, it's a myth that well built Dutch steel boats need less work to maintain than well built steel boats from somewhere else . . :idea:

     
  4. valery gaulin
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    The conclusion,

    Just get a plastic boat for cheap and alot less work to refit.

    If you want to go to the trouble of building yourself a boat, just use plywood with epoxy!!!
     
  5. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    You can build in steel and have low maintenance, go to Mark & Murielle and offer to work for food and a bunk, and learn a lot in practice, much can also be read on their website . . :)
     
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    BTW, it could be in the background, behind the cockpit, you see the old version of the cabin of the seal and bird watch station on Richel . . :cool:

    Here's the new one, they fill the pontoon with sea water so it stays there during the season. - 53°17'48.5"N 5°07'58.8"E

    P.S. - Some more pics here.
     
  7. Ilan Voyager
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    I love the idea of the house boat...
    I have seen a few thousands of tons of steel while working at Brest in the Arsenals (shipyards) of the French Navy, more than one thousand tons of resin and glass at Lorient with the GRP tripartite mine hunter, a collaboration between Dutch, Belgian and French (51.50 meters 169 feet 615 metric tons, everybody loves the simplicity of the maintenance, the oldest one in France has 33 years in perfect shape)
    But my heart belongs to my first youth love; wood composites, strip plank and plywood epoxy. Easy, clean, no bling blang noise, no styrene nasty smell, no nasty dirty dust, the shipyard's paradise. Easy to build, easy to fix, easy to maintain with little means. No rust, no galvanic corrosion, no smell, no blisters, no rot. Light and strong.

    I have joined a pic so you have an idea of the mine hunter in glass fiber polyester. As sometimes the French navy has humor the boat's name is Cephée, the pronunciation of the name has the same sound as C'est Fait (It's Done).
     

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  8. brian eiland
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    Wood Composite vessels

    Then you are going to love the way this gentleman chose to build his trawler, and is working at convincing me this is a very viable method to construct the hull of the Pilgrim 40 canal boat/trawler of,...
    http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=516209&postcount=412

    And the very first powercat trawler on this page was built of wood composite,....and was owned by a friend of mine
    http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s3/powercat-trawlers-11299.html
     
  9. Ilan Voyager
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    @Brian Many, many and many thanks for the links.
    The 62 feet catamatan is a Beauty...I see all the experience of Malcom Tennant in the design. And just two 200 HP diesels for moving it at 17 knots...in economical cruise speed it must burning just the fumes of the tanks (joke).
    The Pilgrim is very interesting. The great advantage of wood composite is lightness, rigidity and no need of the insulation in most navigation zones. A lot of metal "zelotes" forget the cost, weight, time and complications induced by the mandatory and obligatory insulation of a metal boat.
    The secret of a long lasting wood composite is to have enough thick glass and epoxy skins to ensure total waterproofness. Basically it's a wood sandwich, where the wood is an "active" structural core. The interest is also to suppress a great part of the clumsy interior structure. There are many "tricks" for saving time.
    But I'm hacking this thread about metal boats, so I stop.
     
  10. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    There are Dutch vegetable growers who have their lands in watery areas, so they need a boat to move their products . . . :cool:

    Below some info about the hull - | - tuinder = vegetable grower - | - vlet = boat type - | - tuindersvlet = vegetable growers boat - |

    Here's a Builder ---> Tuindersvlet quote ---> Langedijker rondkont regional type - | - Langedijk = location name - | - rondkont = round butt - |

     
  11. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

  12. Ilan Voyager
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    Vegetables heading for auctioning in 1953... Like always, straight and efficient with the Dutch. I admire how they took the delta, a piece of swamp, and also gained land on the sea to make the country.
    I have visited the incredible flower market of Amsterdam and the fabulous tulip fields. Add all the museums and places and you can spend a 3 weeks holiday just riding 10 miles a day in the country. The same in Belgium plus the extraordinary beers, lambics and old gueuzes, krieks, blanches and 100 more, in a 20 days holidays I tasted 54 different beers. At this level of quality and subtlety of flavors and tastes, the only comparable drinks are the very good wines. A one year old Moinette can compete with a 7 years old Nuits St Georges Village, we made the comparison at the winery of one my Burgundy cousins at Montrachet. You can imagine that I cannot drink any wine in Mexico after being raised with the Beaune wines, just out of the cellars of the wine maker cousins...
    Mussels and Belgian fries (the true ones fried in blanc, the beef fat) with a 75 cl bottle of a gloripus local beer at Ostende is a lifetime experience. Angelique you understand what I mean.
    I miss also the speculoos with a thick rich creamy hot chocolate at Brussels...
    For those who want to discover the Belgian beers a 24 mn documentary
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=420A9dja88I
     
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  13. Nick.K
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    These are beautiful craft, elegant, simple and functional.
     

  14. Ilan Voyager
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    I agree with you. I love this kind of elegant workboats, perfectly adapted to their purpose. The quality of fabrication of the boat (and the paint job...) on the picture are astounding.
     
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