Wharram Tiki wrecked in Thailand

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by sloopjb, Aug 30, 2009.

  1. Nordic Cat
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    Location: South of Copenhagen, Denmark

    Nordic Cat Senior Member

    Dangerous low quality work by RB

    The photographic evidence on the beam troughs is shocking!

    This by a company that claims to be ISO 9000 certified to build boats (again falsely so).

    How are you going to explain this Mr. RB? Either you are not managing your company for some reason, or else you are incompetent. Regardless of the reason, what we have now seen evidence of means that you are not beyond putting your customers lives at risk to make a quick buck.

    SHAME ON YOU *****.

    I am beginning to believe that even some of the more weird claims about you might actually be true.

    Alan
     
  2. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

    Tiki 30 in steel ?!

     
  3. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

    Nordic Cat vs Siamese Cat

    This by a company that claims to be ISO 9000 certified to build boats (again falsely so).

    Now we upgrated to ISO 9001-2001 :)

    I see that you still need to upgrade , instead .

    I take the opportunity , to add a photo of yesterday launch of a new vessel

    Envy can be dangerous , Nordic Donkey , be careful to the blood vessels :)
     

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  4. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

  5. Nordic Cat
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    Nordic Cat Senior Member

    The current standard is ISO 9001-2008.

    Can you show us an ISO 9001 certificate stating that RB Boats is certified to design and build sailing boats and power boats?

    Calling people names really doesn't do much to enhance your image as a right minded and nice person to deal with *****.

    Regarding the envy part, would it perhaps be because I don't have one of those boxy cats on the picture above? Seems like you can't look forward out of the saloon but for some small hatches? Not a boat for me, sorry.

    Is the rig made of wood? Will it rot within a year as seen on one of the boats you delivered?

    It seems that RB boats have carved out a special niche in the multihull market: poor quality workmanship, false claims and an obnoxious owner with an attitude problem.

    Next step is that you will threaten me with your lawyers? Ask for the thread to be closed and deleted? Threaten the forum owner with a lawsuit?

    Pretty repeatable behaviour, one just needs to push a button or 2, not even in any predefined firing order:p and "we have ignition!"

    Alan
     
  6. rwatson
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    rwatson Senior Member

    Its easy to build a "pretty boat". After reading the relevant blog entries about the Tiki build, I am surprised that ***** has the "face" to fling insults around like that.

    No way I would buy one of the supposed "boats" from this yard
     
  7. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

    easy to build a pretty boat

    Its easy to build a "pretty boat" !!!!!!

    it is a post that comments itself ;

    it takes 20 years to become a constructor ; years to learn about timber , resins ...years to learn how to properly weld stainless and aluminum .... years to learn about furniture building ....only learn about varnishing a boat it is time consuming .

    Years to learn about the rigs ;


    Years to learn about engine installation ;

    It took to me 11 years and half to teach a thai crew how to build a proper boat ;

    But we are now all amused by this comment :

    'it is easy to build a pretty boat '

    written by somebody that probably call the mechanic to change a flat tire .

    You don't want to buy a boat ..... you are right , rwatson , start with a tricycle as we all did .
     
  8. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

    our T 60 sailed in the mediterranean all the summer

    Just received an email from the lucky owner of our T 60 " The New Moon" ; they sailed during the whole summer from Turkey to Spain , via Greece , Italy and France . Enjoyed their boats , no inconveniences .

    RB boats in this exact moments are sailing in many countries ;

    When , you ,Laughingcruiser and other posters , sailed last time ? Or are you trying to dig a hole in your armchair , to leave a sign of your presence in the world ?
     
  9. Laughingcruiser

    Laughingcruiser Previous Member

    *****, there are some boat builders who claim to have had 20 years experience, unfortunately many of them with 20 years experience have only had 12 months experience 20 times.
     
  10. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

    another idea for Mr. Warren Tiki 38

    i recently heard that Alaska is looking to purchase some new ice breakers , to finally clear the north west passage ;

    I took the freedom to recommend Mr. Warren ' s Tiki 38 ( built from the original plans ) as the obvious solution .
     
  11. Laughingcruiser

    Laughingcruiser Previous Member

    Boat Builder's Hall of Shame

    Mr. **********, the problem you have is that one of your customers terminated their contract with you and then shipped the incomplete project to New Zealand.

    Unfortunately for you your incomplete work was easily assessed by independent boat building professionals whose findings indicate that you are less than honest.

    Unfortunately for you your worst night mare is unfolding, shoddy work practices compromising seaworthiness and safety have been exposed.

    Luckily Warren Mathews had the good sense to follow his intuition and terminate your contract early into the build. If he had not had the good sense to do this then your poor workmanship, cost cuts and unauthorized departure from specifications would have been hidden beneath layers of glass and epoxy.

    Mr. **********, you have been exposed, your position is clearly indefensible and no amount of arrogant denial posted on this thread will save you.

    Clearly you are a person whose business ethics are questionable, a pathologically greedy individual whose greed knows no limits when in pursuit of an easy dollar.

    In my opinion you belong in the boat builder’s hall of shame.
     
  12. rwatson
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    rwatson Senior Member

    The term "built" and the term "original plans" do not compute.

    This is what you get when you do business with a country whose legal system depends on "who you know".
     
  13. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

    RB ethic and customer ethic


    "Clearly you are a person whose business ethics are questionable, a pathologically greedy individual whose greed knows no limits when in pursuit of an easy dollar."



    Dear Sir ,

    ***** ********** is only the Managing Director of RB Power & Sailing Co.;Ltd ;

    we applied the Boatbuilding Agreements that Customers signed ; ( these agreements are available on request to be studied ; they are pretty standard and easy to understand ) ;

    I am not particularly greedy , myself as person , but if you don't mind , with my personal salary , i will do whatever i like .

    About the businness , RB Power & Sailing Co.;Ltd. and the other companies of the group , sometimes involved , ...how can a Company be defined .."greedy" ??

    Our group just follow the Contracts , that have been read , studied , checked and signed by the Customers ;

    If the customer breach his contract , for example refusing a payment that has been invoiced and it is technically due as foreseen by the contract .... the company will just apply the contract that foresees :

    1. notification of the due payment

    2. after 28 further days , charge of modest interests ( 4 % over the OD rate )
    3. after 28 further days , and notifications , there is the Termination of the Contract

    4. the Customer still got further 28 days to pay , or the boat get sold .

    Is this a greedy behavior , or illegal , or ethically questionable ?

    It seems to me , that we give plenty of opportunities to the customers , to pay , if they want .

    All possibilities are foreseen in the Contract , and we usually send a copy to the customers to read , some days in advance ;

    So why they are surprised about consecuencies ?

    I am a simple man and i don't have the answer , so i will leave it to the public to answer .
     
  14. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

    Watson , Holmes and Santa Claus

     

  15. raoul bianchett

    raoul bianchett Previous Member

    Mr. Warren Mattheus again

     
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