Whale wars

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by Frosty, Dec 18, 2012.

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  1. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Paul Watson and his Australian registered vessel Sea Shepheard has been told by American judge to keep away from Japanese ships in international waters by 500 meters ( maybe Yds).

    Like him or not that is ridiculous meddling from a distance isnt it?

    And how will they inforce that under what law ( in international waters).

    Again like him or not it is hunting whales in a whale sanctuary.

    What part of sanctuary is misunderstood?

    The US reg Sea Shepheard will of course have to comply.
     
  2. hoytedow
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    hoytedow I'm not a cat.

    If the whaler is breaking a law the authorities should handle it. If it isn't breaking a law there is no justification for a privateer eco-pirate to harass it.
     
  3. whitepointer23

    whitepointer23 Previous Member

    Torpedo the whaling ships. Problem solved.
     
  4. troy2000
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    Torpedo the harassing Sea Shepherd vessels that are endangering the safety of whalers and the lives of their crews. Problem solved.
     
  5. hoytedow
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    hoytedow I'm not a cat.

    We don't always disagree. :cool::cool:
     
  6. J Feenstra
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    On both sides they are demonstrating the gaps in the law,
    It always makes me smile when i thing about the "research vessels" of the Japanese vessels.
    I guess you can't sue the ship or the flag state of the ship, as the actions of the ship are not the responsibility of the flag state, the human conditions are. I would sue the captain of the ship for assault. But to answer youre question; I like the whale pirates, not the japanese whalers
     
  7. jehardiman
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    jehardiman Senior Member

    The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS) is a US coproration that claims tax exempt status under 26 USC S/S 501(c)(3). Tons of money flow through that tax-exempt front ( and sea Shepherd is as corporate dirty as they get...want a SSCS Platimum VISA card? ...or a T-shirt?...or a speaking engagement with ppt of nasty, nasty things?). Requirements for a 501(c) "charity" is that it be dedicated to the "public good", and it is not lobby. Since SSCS owns/operates/supports the ships and crews, no matter where they are flagged, and those ships seem to be employed in the violation of the letter of international law, the tax expemt status of SSCS could be rerasonably questioned. And so a US court can direct SSCS, and it's Board of Directors (which Mr Watson sits on) what it shall do to keep it's tax exempt status. So it really isn't that far of a reach.
     
  8. rxcomposite
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    I thought the whalers were from Wales?:D
     
  9. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Wales ?

    No way...Jamaica, Trenchtown

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  10. Submarine Tom

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    Ya mon, we be jammin...

    What is that smell?

    Oh, it's Washington state!
     
  11. whitepointer23

    whitepointer23 Previous Member

    the japanese are whaling illegally so they should not be there. why kill whales anyway, there is no good reason to. i come from australias last whaling port and know a few ex whalers, even though they lost their jobs most of them admit it was a horrible business and were not too sad when it stopped in the late seventies. have a look at a program that shows a southern right thrashing about with a harpoon in it troy and then comment.
     
  12. pdwiley
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    No, they are not whaling illegally. It doesn't matter how many times you say this, it just demonstrates your ignorance of international law.

    As for Sea Shepherd, I have no time for them at all. If the Japanese ever drive their factory ship right over one of Sea Shepherd's vessels, it would serve them right for deliberate and repeated violations of the ColRegs. What they are doing is dangerous *and* illegal under international law. They should be prosecuted and I sincerely wish that Australia would close our ports to them, as we have done with the Japanese whaling fleet.

    What people like you are supporting is the philosophy that the ends justifies the means. You want to think hard on that.....

    FWIW I think that there's no justification for whaling and it should have stopped 2 decades ago. The sooner it does, the better. I simply despise the behaviour and attitude of the Sea Shepherd people.

    PDW
     
  13. whitepointer23

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    They are whaling illegally and you know it. They use a loophole and call it research.the whales end up on dinner tables in japan so how is that research. The japanese would think nothing of wiping out all fisheries if left un checked. If the sea sheperd upsets them. I say good luck to them.
     
  14. Ad Hoc
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    Ad Hoc Naval Architect

    JEH
    Very interetsing. Learn something new everyday :D

    It is rather like the US Entity list. Any transaction that is made in US dollars or via a US Bank or bank that deals with the US or has offices in the US and/or any US equipment is subject to US law. If you’re a naughty company that has been doing illegal trading, of whatever and where ever, and if you get flagged up on the US Entity list, you’re subject to US Laws. The latest list is here:
    http://www.bis.doc.gov/policiesandregulations/ear/744_supp4.pdf

    HSBC and Barclays banks a few months back were shown to have had Iranian clients and concealing them from US authorities and their subsequent huge fines of Million/Billion dollars, are evidence of this in action. There are no “geographical boundaries” as such.

    Before doing business with anyone/company, check the Entity list first, as you could easily get caught up in their web of subterfuge and side-stepping. Guilt by association, right or wrong, that’s what it is.

    And a merry xmas to you all, where ever you may be :p:p
     

  15. troy2000
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    Even if they were illegal, that would be no excuse for vigilantism that endangers ships and seamen. And whether you like it or not, they aren't illegal. They may be unfairly exploiting a loophole in the law, but they aren't breaking it.

    So change the friggen law if necessary. But don't give the Sea Shepherd ****** a license to kill because you don't believe the Japanese are adhering to the spirit of the law.

    What's next? Is it suddenly going to become morally acceptable to set deadfalls in the woods for hunters, because they shouldn't be out there shooting at Bambi? Maybe I can just start throwing nail strips in front of speeding cars, because the drivers are breaking the speed limit.
     
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