Want to design yachts? The future designer

Discussion in 'Education' started by sele, Aug 4, 2011.

  1. sarrsar
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    sarrsar Junior Member

    hello , i read the thread above and found many answers to my questions but i have a question :
    i am an architecture student in architecture we design buildings ..etc at the same time we take notion of the engineering part whether mechanical or electrical but we are not engineers.
    i am highly interested in studying naval architecture but what i am really interested in is the design process and have no problem in the engineering part , yet i dont want to work in welding ..or doin engineers job i want to be more in the design part .
    i have noone to ask since i know noone who was or is in that domain.
    what do u suggest ?going into naval architecture ?or it doesnt match with what i want ?
     
  2. Eric Sponberg
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    Eric Sponberg Senior Member

    Sarrsar,
    If you read some of the superyacht design magazines, and there are many of them like Yacht International, Showboats, International, and Boats International, not to mention Power and Motoryacht, Yachting, and the like, you will find who the major stylistic designers are. They work in conjunction with naval architects to design large yachts. The International Superyacht Society will also point you in the right direction as to who is who in the design world. http://superyachtsociety.org/home-page.aspx. Look at the advertisements and the boat design reviews, and you will learn who the players are and whom to contact for career advice.

    For education, the Art Institute in Ft. Lauderdale has a program in yacht design that focuses on styling and interior design. http://www.artinstitutes.edu/fort-lauderdale/

    Good luck.

    Eric
     
  3. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Art or Engineering ?

    The new builds Ive been involved with were "Platforms". Length, Beam, Structure, power, systems.....


    Naval Architects and engineers design this Platform, then a stylist comes in and designs the yacht that fits on top of this pre engineered platform.

    To study Art or Engineering is the big question. Similar to the automotive industry
     
  4. davisjam

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    Perhaps you need something combined. But I would have opted for engineering
     
  5. ardasa
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    ardasa New Member

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    Sele,

    I think the best option for you is İTÜ Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering department. Unlike the information you have, İTÜ's Naval Architecture department has two program, 1) 100% English 2) 30% English.

    I see that you have resolved language problem and already you know two languages very well. From now on, Language learning should be a hobby to you, not a necessity. (And I suggest Latin)

    Studying in boat design courses will get you exactly nowhere. In order to create a "good" design, you have to be an engineer.

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    Alik,

    I don't know where you get your information from and how you brought this 8329108321 wive topic to this conversation but Turkey is a laicist country since 1928(French form of Secularism). It is so rare and ILLEGAL in Turkish culture for a man to marry more than one woman.

    Polygamy is also illegal in USA but many mormons are practising it. There are some people practising it here too (Less in number though). But that doesn't mean Turkey is ruled by sharia, nor does it mean USA is a polygamist country.

    Please, stop supposing that every country where muslims are more in numbers is allowing polygamy, treating women as properties. There is a difference between an Islamic Republic and a Republic. The first one is Iran, latter is Republic of Turkey.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_Turkey
    You can get your facts from this page or continue making assumpions about countries you have no knowledge about.
     
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  6. Alik
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    Alik Senior Member

    My Turkish friend has 2 wives... :D
     
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  8. ardasa
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    ardasa New Member

    Now you proved that Polygamy is legal and considered normal in Turkey. Congrats!

    "Aside from Lebanon and Israel, Turkey is the only nation located in the Middle East that has abolished polygamy, which was officially criminalized with the adoption of the Turkish Civil Code in 1926, a milestone in Atatürk's secularist reforms. Penalties for illegal polygamy are up to 2 years imprisonment becoming the first nation in the area to do so. Turkey has long been known for its promotion of secularism and later introduced even stricter bars on polygamy. Even the ruling moderate Islamist AK Parti effectively banned polygamists from entering or living in the country."

    "Penalties for illegal polygamy are up to 2 years imprisonment"
     
  9. alanrockwood
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    Let me offer a correction. Actually, Mormons in good standing to not practice polygamy, and those who are found practicing polygamy will have their membership in the church removed. It is true that there are some religious groups that have broken off from the Mormon church that practice polygamy, but those groups are not part of the Mormon church and they are opposed by the Mormon church.

    To paraphrase your own words, "...you can get your facts from this page or continue making assumpions about [matters] you have no knowledge about..."
     
  10. ardasa
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    ardasa New Member

    It's true that most of the mormons are not practicing polygamy anymore, except for mormon fundementalists. And you and I both know that they live on American soil. And we both know about Joseph Smith's marriages, the prophet of mormons. I don't mean to harm anyone but I'm just pointing that USA is a country that outlawed polygamy and So did Turkey. Almost 100 years ago. Exceptions are exceptions.

    Also historians points that 200 years ago, in Istanbul (then capital of ottoman empire) the plural marriage's rate is 2%. I say all this because I know that when Arik first brought up this, His vision of a Turk is a person, riding camels, marrying 4 wives, in a desert. But get this, Arabs are Arabs, Turks are Turks.

    Even if no one in USA practices polygamy, my point stands. Bringing up the polygamy issue just after seeing a Turkish girl is sick. It also shows one's ignorance for the following reasons:

    1-) Judging a person from a perspective that generalizes person's nation is sick and wrong. It's like saying to an American he/she is fat because of a generalization, even if she/he is not fat. OR telling a brit that he/she is a know it all, before even meeting the person.

    2-) Turkey has been a laicist (secular) country for almost 100 years. Turkey's civil code is not based on sharia or any sort of religious law.


    I just don't get why people don't even hesitate to talk about things they don't know.
     
  11. Albert Jr.

    Albert Jr. Previous Member

    Same dream

    Wow I didn't expect this much info on a thread.
    Btw, hi everyone.
    My name is Albert and I'm from Curacao as some know.
    I am also interested in studying to become a Naval Architect and with this I would want to start with my own line of boats (see my thread about a 19 ft cc).

    I've looked at some colleges;
    Webb
    U of Michigan
    UNO
    Landing school in Maine
    Texas A&M university
    Westlawn institute of marine technology

    Anyway thats another story for a future thread of mine.

    Even though I'm not the OP, I just wanted to say thankyou for all the advice you all are giving us.

    Have a nice day and tight lines,
    Albert.
     
  12. Skyak
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    Skyak Senior Member

    Sele,

    this is a very good and important question because it will influence your career path and success.

    I have read this whole thread and have been surprised that the discussion treats NA as if it was one well defined job in a big homogeneous market. There are several distinct markets and in some you might not be able to reach your full potential due to gender and nationality while in others you will be pushed to the top.

    Military is the first that comes to mind -the free high quality education is offered only to citizens and security clearances might block jobs. MIT is a great (if not the best) engineering school but I think they are very R&D oriented and the Nautical program is dominated by Defense grants. You won't find any of them Blogging, but there are brilliant NA's in defense.

    Commercial vessels- this industry is dominated by standards dictated by safety, finance, and insurance. Not much room for innovation and a few countries dominate this heavy industry with government subsidy. Commercial can be broken down further into cargo, passenger, or work/specialty (example deep water drilling). To get a taste see http://exchange.dnv.com/publishing/RulesHSLC/2013-01/ts003.pdf

    Pleasure craft might be what you were thinking of but it is actually the smallest market. Even it breaks down into vastly different jobs, from power super-yachts to sail and racing. Eric S. described this market and job well.

    With this in mind let's consider your path. If you want to go military the decision is made -you stay in Turkey and possibly work for an ally later. Your gender might influence your success -you know your country better than I.

    Commercial vessels -I may be speaking out of turn here but I think Europe is where you should start. Many of the standards and much of the financing is from europe. I will go further and suggest that your gender will be favored there and it will give you opportunities particularly in northern europe and the US. Big companies and many governments have "affirmative action". Small companies might have an affirmative action policy in order to do business with large ones, but most will consider the prejudices of their customer base. For example, if ALIK worked for a company in the US he would likely be fired for his posts in this thread, even though he is not working. You might be opposed to being favored for your gender, but I recommend you take it to start until your reputation/experience is well established. If you plan to go into large cargo ships, asia may be your future, the governments there intend to dominate the industry.

    Pleasure craft -The US has good schools but again I think Europe is strong if not stronger for employment. Affirmative action will get you through college in the US but employment and commissions might not favor your gender. The custom builders here are very small and female buyers/commissions are disturbingly rare relative to their wealth. Males may favor a female NA or might not. In the US you will likely be self employed. I think northern Europe has big shops that would favor you.

    The last thing I would like to say is that Engineering is a great field with many opportunities -particularly for women. If you went into one of the more general engineering fields you would have far greater opportunities more places in the world. ALL of the multinationals have affirmative action in accordance with the nations they operate in and the fact that half or more of their customers are women. 'Follow your passion' is great advice, but if you want to design boats, you might do more as a rich executive than as a poor NA. Beyond that, much of the innovation in boats today is in the components and systems created by engineers. If you go to an MIT or U of M you will see that the general studies have far less intellectual inertia than NA. I respect the NA's that outnumber me on this blog, but before you shout me down consider how many extremely successful women your profession has produced vs engineering. This is a great place to get advice on being a NA. If you want to compare to engineering you need to look further.
     
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  13. Alik
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    Alik Senior Member

    Sounds like an idiot's post. Luckily I do not need to work for 'a company in US', but work for myself; and thus do not need to be a hypocrite. I can afford to call female a female, and mother a mother (not parent #1 or 2).

    There are different cultures in the world and not only the one culture being 'right'.
     
  14. High Life
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    High Life Junior Member

    Only because our culture is different than yours. We encourage our daughter to pursue any career she wants, engineer, doctor, or scientist or whatever she shows an aptitude for.
     

  15. Alik
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    Alik Senior Member

    Agree. But I would not like my daughter stay close to lamination room or other harmful production... and engineer's job is often like that. At the end of the day, they need to become mothers.
     
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