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Want To Buy: Fast Cruising Mullti "On the Cheap"

Discussion in 'Marketplace' started by UNCIVILIZED, Jun 29, 2017.

  1. UNCIVILIZED
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    UNCIVILIZED DIY Junkyard MadScientist

    Guys,
    Doing a "little" boat shopping, & could use some help. I’m after a multihull. Specifically one with some degree of performance, even if that means turboing her by say, adding a sprit & Code 0’s. Racing type Code 0’s, with lots of luff tension for upwind work. Or, um, adding a wing mast, if she’s a fast enough hull to warrant such an investment. Even if that means adding 5’ to her sterns.

    In a cat, this pans out to something over 30’, that’ll handle 1t - 1 1/2t of payload (more’s better). But not a Gemini. And in a tri, something 35’ or over, with the same payload capability. Which pretty much rules out most Farriers. The small ones anyway.

    My budget is $75k or so. Less would be better, but I’ll entertain boats up to the $100k mark. And the more fitted out for cruising they are the better: Solid rig, & sails, AP, ground tackle, radar, & nav gear & charts.
    Oh, & within the lower 48 is best. But I’ll entertain most of N. America, & the Caribbean too.

    Also, I’ll go out on a limb, & say that if you know of a boat that’s 75% done. Meaning most of the hull & structural bits, but for the paint. But needing an interior, rig, etc. Then I’d love a link so that I could take a peek. I’m more than handy with tools. Just don’t want to spend ages building, as opposed to sailing.
    Turnkey rocks… but for the right price, you never know unless you ask/look. Since I’m an irrepressible tinkerer anyway, & as I said, I’m more than up for turboing a "stock" boat… over a span time, given the right price.

    Thanks!!!

    PS: Foam core trumps plywood given my druthers. And a FAST 40'+ Mono that planes easily might work too. Maybe. Fast as in Farr 40/J 120 Polars or better. And regardless of hulls 50' is the top end length wise (13m or less is better); cost of upkeep & all that.
    I'd prefer PM's with any leads, though I can also be reached at IndyMastMan at hotmail
     
  2. rberrey
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  4. UNCIVILIZED
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    UNCIVILIZED DIY Junkyard MadScientist

    Hi guys, thanks for the help thus far. Here are a few requirements for further clarification on what it is that I'm after:
    I used the term fast cruising, as there are a lot of cats (& some tri's) out there which look an awful lot like condo's, & sail like them as well. Which is Definitely a Deal Killer for me. And I know that there are a decent number of tri's out there at around 40' or a bit more, originally designed for racing, which can be converted into passable cruising boats for 2-3 folks. I've even seen a few Formula 40's (both cat's & tri's) that have been well repurposed along these lines. Even if it means losing a(n abridged), so called "aft cabin" to turn it into a large cockpit. Since lounging space is key on a cruiser. And cockpit bunks that are long enough to sleep on kinda' border on being mandatory (though not 100% so).
    I've got a lot of tool & design skills, so for me, boats which at first glance might not seem viable, might be able to be made to work. Also, in keeping with the performance theme, daggerboards definitely get the nod, but are negotiable.

    In a catamaran a bridgedeck cabin for me is a Must Have. Though said cabin needn't have full standing headroom, 5'+/- would be sufficent, provided that there's lots of room in the hulls for a good galley. Meaning preferably having 2 sinks, 2+ burners & an oven, plenty of prep space, storage, & good natural lighting & ventillation. A tri could have slightly less features in her galley, but not too many fewer.

    Also, good bridgedeck clearance is a must. Call it 2'+/- minimum. Though the bottom line on this is more about her not pounding much when going to weather, or reaching. At least not in normal cruising winds & seas of say 25kts or less.

    Outboards on a cat would be nice, though not mandatory. And they're more than tolerable on a tri as well. Especially 2 of them, widely seperated, for good manuverability.

    Lack of sail area bites. Meaning a Bruce number of under 1.3 when the boat's loaded for cruising. And calculating it using a 135% genoa or smaller, along with the 1.5t+ of gear & stores. Here's a quick calculator for same http://www.nuomo.com/boatSadBruceCalculator.htm Basically I'm used to fast boats, albeit mostly mono's, so going the other direction (to owning a slow'ish boat) likely won't work.
    As stated, I'd much prefer to have a boat that's at least on par with something like a Farr 40' (One Design), including on VMG & in light air. Measuring this via Polar's is preferable, but by PHRF rating is tolerable:
    http://l-36.com/polars/data/farr40_polar.txt
    http://l-36.com/polars/data/farr40_p...prediction.pdf
    PHRF New England - Handicapping - Base Handicaps http://www.phrfne.org/page/handicapping/base_handicaps

    And again, if the overall price of the boat's reasonable, & she's got resonably fast hulls, then adding a wing spar, a deck mounted sprit, or both, is possible. And switching to a roachy, or square top main may be an option. But spending $30k on a new, high performance, sail inventory isn't. As I can build & rig a spar myself, but I'm not up for designing & building a whole new sail wardrobe. Since yes, I can sew, but sewing 5 miles of straight line seams doesn't overly appeal to me. Plus the raw materials for sails are far from cheap. Especially when one factors in goofs, re-cuts, & the like. Though I also know that realistically, the majority of boats out there on the used market will need a new (or slightly "pre-loved") working sail or three, such as the main for example. Or a good, well cared for, used jib.

    Thanks again, & if I need to further clarify things, please LMK [​IMG]

    EDIT: The bottom line is pretty much the of the interior room of a Catalina 30'+/- (or larger), that sails like a wicked witch. Without her needing high end, laminated sails at $10k+ each. Though I wouldn't say no if she came with same, or even an entire CONEX box full of them ;)
     
  5. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Are you also interested in boats that might fit the bill but are currently located in Europe ?
     
  6. UNCIVILIZED
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    UNCIVILIZED DIY Junkyard MadScientist

    Maybe. Do you have the addresses of good sites where I could find more boats over there? As so far I've found pitifully few; boats online there, or websites listing boats there. Especially given the huge numbers of cats & tri's over there. Would that I spoke french :)
     

  7. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Here's an YBG 42 Outborn for sale on the isle of Martinique, she might go within your preferred budget.
     
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