Voyage to Atlantis

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  1. Yobarnacle
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    I believe it.
     
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...dmit-global-warming-forecasts-were-wrong.html


    A leaked draft of a report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is understood to concede that the computer predictions for global warming and the effects of carbon emissions have been proved to be inaccurate.

    The report, to be published later this month, is a six year assessment which is seen as the gospel of climate science and is cited to justify fuel taxes and subsidies for renewable energy.

    The “summary for policymakers” of the report, seen by the Mail on Sunday, states that the world is warming at a rate of 0.12C per decade since 1951, compared to a prediction of 0.13C per decade in their last assessment published in 2007.

    Other admission in the latest document include that forecast computers may not have taken enough notice of natural variability in the climate, therefore exaggerating the effect of increased carbon emissions on world temperatures.

    The governments which fund the IPCC have tabled 1,800 questions in relation to the report.


    One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.

    The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now.

    Despite a 2012 draft stating that the world is at it’s warmest for 1,300 years, the latest document states: “'Surface temperature reconstructions show multi-decadal intervals during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950-1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the late 20th Century.”

    The 2007 report included predictions of a decline in Antarctic sea ice, but the latest document does not explain why this year it is at a record high.

    The 2013 report states: “'Most models simulate a small decreasing trend in Antarctic sea ice extent, in contrast to the small increasing trend in observations ...

    “There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the small observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent.'

    The 2007 forecast for more intense hurricanes has also been ignored in the new document after this year was one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history.

    One of the report's authors, Professor Myles Allen, the director of Oxford University's Climate Research Network, has said that people should not look to the IPCC for a “bible” on climate change.

    Professor Allen, who admits “we need to look very carefully about what the IPCC does in future”, said that he could not comment on the report as it was still considered to be in its draft stages.
     
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    The Telegraph, a British paper (of course) has a headine about the upcoming IPCC report that makes it sound like everything scientists have predicted about climate change/global warming is turning out to be wrong.
    Sounds pretty damning, doesn't it? Until you read the article....

    OMG!! There's a difference of one hundredth of a degree per decade between what they predicted and what they measured!! Shoot 'em all!!

    Seriously, folks. Does a revision of .01C per decade really justify that sort of melodramatic headline? I don't think so.
     
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    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...arming of the earth&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-900-s

    The thing is, the earth has been warming since the last ice age. And would continue to warm if man wasn't even here. You can not honestly blame ALL the warming on man. Yet people imply that it's ALL man's doing.
    How much influence is man really contributing to natural warming? Various estimates suggest from 2 tenths of a percent up to 5%.

    Or maybe none, looking at the chart below. :)
     

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    http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...f-earths-natural-cycle-mit-team-says-yes.html

    A team of MIT scientists recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels -the first increase in ten years. What baffles the team is that this data contradicts theories stating humans are the primary source of increase in greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. Since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, however, it is probable that this may be part of a natural cycle - and not the direct result of man's contributions.

    So what does all this MEAN?

    It means climatologists don't know what's going on with climate.

    So don't go off half cocked with halfbaked ideas of social change. That's foolish. :)

    Study? Yes. Solution? Can't have solutions when you don't understand the problem, or if there IS one. :)
     
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    Ignored these in the IPCC report.

    "One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase. The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now. Despite a 2012 draft stating that the world is at it’s warmest for 1,300 years, the latest document states: “'Surface temperature reconstructions show multi-decadal intervals during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950-1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the late 20th Century.”
    The 2007 report included predictions of a decline in Antarctic sea ice, but the latest document does not explain why this year it is at a record high.

    The 2013 report states: “'Most models simulate a small decreasing trend in Antarctic sea ice extent, in contrast to the small increasing trend in observations ... “There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the small observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent.'

    The 2007 forecast for more intense hurricanes has also been ignored in the new document after this year was one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history. ":D
     
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    When the EXPERTS start crawfishing, the ones pronouncing iminent doom a few years back. shouldn't their converts proceed more cautiously? :D
    Credibility is spiralling down to a crater forming landing! :)

    Not with me though. They never HAD credibility with me. :)
     
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    I believe I'll wait until the report is actually released, instead of taking a British tabloid's sensationalist interpretation of bits and pieces of it as gospel.... it's pretty obvious they aren't giving us a balanced, objective look at it.
     
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    Good idea.
    I've been following that very same advice, and advising others to adopt it, in reference to things the IPCC said, because it was pretty obvious they weren't giving us a balanced and objective report! :D

    The IPCC, while losing credibility with others, is GAINING credibility with me.

    When they say "we don't know why the climate is behaving this way", I believe in fact, they really don't know and don't understand.
    For years I have said the climate is far more complicated than the simplistic theories of climatologists.
    :) cheers
     
  10. El_Guero

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    In GREECE, the Pillars of Hercules meant something else. Romans considered the straights of Gibraltar to be the Pillars .....

    So, they start their search from a false premise.

    wayne
     
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    Troy,

    Have you finished your boat yet?

    wayne
     
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    Can you cite your statement?

    This cite below contradicts you.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_Hercules

    and these cites below, don't exactly contradict you but reference voyages outside Gibralter into and across the Atlantic. Before Christ!

    http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/fall01/navigators/navigators.html

    http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_97-01/991erost_lhl.html

    These people then sailed—this was in 232 b.c. —they sailed to a place known to them, which is in the area today of Indonesia, which we'll refer to again. There, the chief mariner, the navigator of the expedition, a man named Maui, recorded a comment, which is a well-known comment, and recorded also an eclipse, which is a well-known eclipse, and gave the dating for that observation in a report which was painted in a cave, which they went to commonly.

    Now, these were very large ships on this occasion, these Egyptian ships. They were not jokes. They were not balsa rafts. They were very serious ships, and I'll come to that in a while.

    From thence, from inference we know, the expedition continued its journey from this West Irian location, across the Pacific Ocean, to probably about Panama. (I'll tell you why, later.) It then explored the South American coast, trying to find a way through the Americas, into the Atlantic Ocean, so they could get back to Egypt by way of the Atlantic.

    Finally, after completing the exploration of the coast of South America, approximately 231 or 230 b.c.,: the chief navigator of the expedition, Maui, went into a cave area outside of what today is Santiago, Chile, and there made a record of their arrival, of their exploration, and claimed all of South America for Egypt. So you see, there are some Spanish land-titles that aren't too good these days.

    http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Eratosthenes.htm
     
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    Or THIS fellow?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pytheas

    Pytheas: The Explorer (330 B.C.)

    Pytheas of Massalia, or Latin Massilia (Ancient Greek Πυθέας ὁ Μασσαλιώτης, 4th century BC), was a Greek geographer and explorer from the Greek colony, Massalia (modern day Marseilles). He made a voyage of exploration to northwestern Europe at about 325 BC.

    In this voyage he travelled around and visited a considerable part of Great Britain. He is the first person on record to describe the Midnight Sun. The theoretical existence of a Frigid Zone where the nights are very short in summer and the sun does not set at the summer solstice was already known. Similarly reports of a country of perpetual snows and darkness, the country of the Hyperboreans, had been reaching the Mediterranean for some centuries. Pytheas is the first known scientific visitor and reporter of the arctic, polar ice, and the Germanic tribes. He is the one who introduced the idea of distant Thule to the geographic imagination. His account of the tides is the earliest to state that they are caused by the moon.
     
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    Wiki? Please. The Pillars are in Colorado .... http://www.sevenfalls.com/discover-seven-falls/ Colorado wins .... Atlantis went down and came back up - Atlantis is America.

    OK, back to your possibilities: "A number of alternative locations have been identified as being referred to in ancient times as the Pillars of Heracles. Robert Schoch[454] writes “This distinctive name, taken from the most powerful hero of Greek mythology, was given to a number of ancient sites known in modern times by quite different appellations”. The Greeks, however, used the name Pillars of Heracles to mark other sites besides Gibraltar, some outside the Mediterranean – namely, the Canary Islands in the Atlantic and the Strait of Kerch dividing the Black Sea from the Sea of Azov – and even more inside – specifically, the Strait of Bonafaccio between Corsica and Sardinia, the Strait of Messina between mainland Italy and Sicily, the Greek Peleponnese, the mountainous coast of Tunisia, and the Nile Delta. Tacitus, in chapter 34 of Germania, clearly states that it was believed that the Pillars of Hercules were located near the Rhine in the territory of the Frisians. - See more at: http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/pillars-of-heracles/#sthash.fUWbWjf2.dpuf"

    The Romans called the straights of Gibraltar the Pillars of Hercules, the Greeks had identified locations much, much closer to them - and where I live in Ukraine was a Greek Colony, before Roman era.

    The most likely location was just outside of Athens, placing Atlantis closer to Crete (on modern Santorini), and most likely making the Atlantan civilization the same as Minoa.

    Minoan civilization was greater than Libya and all Africa before the volcanic eruption and the sinking of what was left of the island. It was also between Asia and Libya, the references used to find where Atlantis was.

    Wiki does actually include the Minoan/Theran (Santorini) probability. The Caldera, its explosion, and the sinking of the remaining islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location_hypotheses_of_Atlantis#Thera_.28Santorini.29

    Since this was ancient history in Plato's time, using Roman cartographical markers just does not make sense. Logically, that is the same as our saying modern American maps are what Columbus used when he sailed the Atlantic.

    IMHO.

    I believe, the earliest KNOWN references describing the Greek pillars of Hercules in Spain date to the 1600's .... And those were referencing Roman sources. The Romans never identify Atlantis as being in the Atlantic .... btw.

    And I think you will notice that Fidel Castro is voting for Cuba to be the new Atlantis.

    PS to the Greeks, he was Heracles .... Ἡρακλῆς

    :)
     
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